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Reply #120 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 1:56am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 14th, 2009 at 11:02am:
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Can I ring a friend?

look deeeeep into the mirror....
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Reply #121 - Jul 15th, 2009 at 8:48pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 15th, 2009 at 1:56am:
Soren wrote on Jul 14th, 2009 at 11:02am:
Sorry, don't follow.
Can I ring a friend?

look deeeeep into the mirror....



You remind me of Martini in One flew over the coocoo's nest - you are always passing the ball to people only you can see.

I say this in a caring and nurturing way.

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Reply #122 - Jul 22nd, 2009 at 9:31pm
 
The name is Fragmachine and I'm new to the discussion but I'd like to say my piece.
Racism is undeniable in Australia as I have expirienced first hand in my travels. In fact, I would propose it is undeniable in many, if not all countries in the world.
Racism is defined by colour, nationality or religion of a person though I would beg to differ.
Racism, I belive, could be defined as the fear of the other, we humans gravitate to what is known and fear what is not known.
So in that context, racism involves a lot more than the simple phyisical description of a person and we should involve the bigger picture in the discussion.
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Reply #123 - Jul 22nd, 2009 at 10:04pm
 
Hi Frag, welcome to forum

Are you sure that fear of other is not xenophobia?
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Reply #124 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 5:53am
 
The fear of the other is Xenophobia and I believe it is common in all of us.
This is not a bad thing in itself, I believe we define ourselves more by what we don't identify with than what we do.
Xenophobia becomes a problem when we stop looking at the issues facing us and concentrate on the phobia itself.
This is where racism comes into play.
Racism is the ability to abandon reason, when talking about one group.

And a point about the start of the thread. Sounds like someone who is taking the piss and wants to create a bit of controversy...
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Reply #125 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 6:03am
 
I should add that a big motivation for me commenting on this forum is that I've been running riot, unchecked, around the world for the last ten years and have finally decided to settle down to some formal schooling.
So It's a good way to improve my grammar and have an interesting conversation along the way.
Feel free to be ruthless on my writing and ideas!
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Reply #126 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 6:08am
 
I should add that a big motivation for me commenting on this forum is that I've been running riot, unchecked, around the world for the last ten years and have finally decided to settle down to some formal schooling.
So It's a good way to improve my grammar and have an interesting conversation along the way.
Feel free to be ruthless on my writing and ideas!
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Reply #127 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 7:03am
 
xenophobia and racism are not the same but both are overused terms used by the prog Left to stifle debate and intimidate people into silence.
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Re: Australia belongs to everyone
Reply #128 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 9:08am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 23rd, 2009 at 7:03am:
xenophobia and racism are not the same abut both are overused terms used by the prog Left to stifle debate and intimidate people into silence.



That is very true and is obvious to anyone except those who "abandoned reason".
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Reply #129 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 9:23am
 

frag - you use the word "racist" as though it were a bad thing !

it's normal and healthy.
Anyone who is NOT racist is a big fat liar or incredibly stupid.
No, they could not be that stupid - even if they were blacks.  Smiley
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Reply #130 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:52pm
 
Fragmachine wrote on Jul 22nd, 2009 at 9:31pm:
Racism, I belive, could be defined as the fear of the other, we humans gravitate to what is known and fear what is not known.
So in that context, racism involves a lot more than the simple phyisical description of a person and we should involve the bigger picture in the discussion.



Well, the 'other' is often frightening or the very least (and very often) frightful. 'Other' is not a synonym for good. And whether you like it or not, there are strong and obvious national, cultural traits that manifest in behaviour, speech, bearing and they usually correspond to race in the sense of degree and hue of tintedness.

And anyway, a degree of prejudice is inevitable and more often than not healthy and necessary, and race is only one of such desirable prejudices. After all, only a fool does not learn from experience.

I would not say it is a matter of reason in the sense of rationality, but rather of reasonableness - where the mind and the heart, rationality and emotion and instict each recognise the behaviour that is most fitting in the circumstances (not fitting a theory or a big abstract picture).

You can't change the colour of your skin (unless you go to Jacko's dermatologist) but otherwise the simple and proven method of countering prejudice of all sorts is to observe social norms, standars of behaviour, interaction, speech, decorum and habits and the like. If you want to be different, don't be surprised if people notice it and treat you differently. Appealing to the big picture (ie wanting to change everyone else to fit an abstract ideal) is not a replacement for being reasonable. And if the 'other' is unreasonable' then 'self' will maintain the prejudice.








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Reply #131 - Jul 28th, 2009 at 1:07am
 
Fragmachine wrote on Jul 22nd, 2009 at 9:31pm:
The name is Fragmachine and I'm new to the discussion but I'd like to say my piece.
Racism is undeniable in Australia as I have expirienced first hand in my travels. In fact, I would propose it is undeniable in many, if not all countries in the world.
Racism is defined by colour, nationality or religion of a person though I would beg to differ.
Racism, I belive, could be defined as the fear of the other, we humans gravitate to what is known and fear what is not known.
So in that context, racism involves a lot more than the simple phyisical description of a person and we should involve the bigger picture in the discussion.


I think legitimate "racism" of others can very often simply be chalked up to the misactions of people of other races. For instance, we are often told that the fact that  Aboriginals/African American blacks commit far, far more crimes on average than white people is simply a "negative stereotype", kept alive and disseminated by "ignorance" (a very popular epithet in itself). However, if one actually bothers to examine the statistical records they will find that this so called stereotype is actually true. I have always found the constant leftist denial that the existence of stereotypes very often is predicated upon patterns in actual human behaviour among groups very silly indeed. To furnish my argument further, take another stereotype, a so called "good stereotype"-- that Asian people tend to be far better at mathematics than other groups. For some reason, leftists find a stereotype like this one equally deplorable, despite its positivity. But again, as measured by the Wechsler scales, Asians do (for reasons that I am not entirely sure of) tend to have conpsciously elevated visual-spatial skills (which are highly related with right brain function and thus mathematics) to verbal skills-- and this is true not only in Western countries, but in Japan and elsewhere. Stereotypes simply naturally formulate themselves from the void of information; taken to a logical conclusion, they are simply a way the characterstic human ability to recognize patterns from disorder asserts itself. But no, because they concern other human beings, they are forbidden!

Racism, probably, is always going to be with us. As long as we continue to be DNA based lifeforms, the characteristic assortive marker of our very existence-- that which determines that we prefer people who are like ourselves, will continue to present unbreachable cleavages between even sub-species that are only "trivially" genetically different. I don't really think racism is a fear of what is unknown-- more often than not, as I illustrated up there, it is a fear of what is actually known.
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Reply #132 - Jul 28th, 2009 at 7:55am
 
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Racism, probably, is always going to be with us. As long as we continue to be DNA based lifeforms, the characteristic assortive marker of our very existence-- that which determines that we prefer people who are like ourselves, will continue to present unbreachable cleavages between even sub-species that are only "trivially" genetically different. I don't really think racism is a fear of what is unknown-- more often than not, as I illustrated up there, it is a fear of what is actually known.

Maybe like the song says... 'What we need is a great big melting pot'  Grin

But 'curly Latin kinkies, mixed with yellow chinkees' ? What's that all about?  Cheesy
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Reply #133 - Jul 28th, 2009 at 8:37am
 
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Maybe like the song says... 'What we need is a great big melting pot'


Won't be long before what comes out of the melting pot will begin to diverge itself and we're back in the same mess Wink

I still personally think that such a situation would be horrible; primarily because unlike multiculturalists, I am a true lover of human diversity as it exists in this world. Enviromentalists never shut up about preserving biological diversity, but when it comes to the diversity between human beings, they could not care an ounce. There is no diversity more beautiful to me than that which exists within the human race, whether it be the way that other people look to their pecuiliar idiosyncratic customs and particular traditional architectures. The universalist/multiculturalist/multiracialist attitude that we must sweep this all aside disturbs me in the same way that an environmentalist might be perturbed at the destruction of great swotches of the Brazillian rainforest.

Plus, a potential world without blonde haired, blue eyed girls? NO THANK YOU!
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Reply #134 - Aug 14th, 2009 at 11:05am
 
BlackAmerica wrote on Jul 8th, 2009 at 6:29am:
Beautiful wonderful country Australia is. Nice beaches, great weather, beautiful nature. Shame the aboriginals were not able to hold on to it. But since the native people of the land, who've lived there for thousands of years are so small in number and the land is so large and bounteous no one race should be able to claim it as their own. The white people on this forum are always angry about the aboriginals, the Asians, the Muslims, the blacks and just about everything that isn't "Anglo". Hate to break it to you guys, but you've been here only since 1850.... Not an awfully long time. You built the country you say? Thanks. Grin But we're moving to Australia in large numbers, were going to take citizenship, we're going to live our lives happily in the wonderful land downunder and we're going to sponsor our family members and they are going to sponsor theirs. Our numbers will grow, and we they do we'll elect ourselves into government and make this a nice country that belongs to all who land on its shores.

Thanks British settlers for making such a nice country! Thanks aboriginals for your land. Thanks God for creating Australia. And when I'm able to leave this third world country, the "United States" I'll be a nice Aussie! Yay!

Love us or hate us, you're going to get used to us. We're here to stay, never to leave. Australia belongs to us, this great land. Now excuse me, I have to go apply for immigration. When I come to OZ, I'll stay for a while and get my citizenship and then work as an anti-racism activist.

I want out is there any Nations left with a White only imagration policy I want to move there.
And by the way to the move to AU become an anti rascist with an attitude like that I would like to see you say that face to face with a young gun Aussie skin head it is likely you would be packing and back home in no time.
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