Australian Politics Forum - Pub liable for drink-drive death

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47316 At my desk.	Re: Pub liable for drink-drive death Reply #30 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 3:36pm You missed the point of the question Amadd. It was about whether the vcourt determined that there was contributory negiligence.
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Pub liable for drink-drive death Reply #31 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 5:08pm Well they did determine it didn't they? I wonder how the decision would've gone 30yrs ago? It probably would've been laughed out of court. It seems that even in the last two years we've slipped further into this stupid belief system.
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Reply #32 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 6:02pm

amadd - yes, 30 years ago it would not have even made it to court.
even 15 years ago, it would have been very doubtful.

i agree with the judgment.
I have often asked my guests that they are not driving home drunk.
If i thought they were, I'ld try to stop them.
If they were pissed, I would not give them their keys.

That's what the ruling says, imho.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Pub liable for drink-drive death Reply #33 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 6:29pm That's great to do that Sprint, but I just don't think that people in the hospitality business should be under threat to have to do it.
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Reply #34 - Jul 4^th, 2009 at 8:48pm

Oooooh!!!!

I love this Thread.

As a Cabbie (and I personally drive, only day time shifts) I get very very, annoyed when I get a job to pick up Gareth from the Nambour Royal George Hotel, to drive him home, the very short distance he walked to the Pub at around 10.00 am.

It really runs me.

The publican has taken his money (for years, every day) fills him full of piss, and then calls us to take the gibbering wreck home.

Gareth (his real name) will never be able to sue me if he has some mishap getting out of my Cab, because I will not ever allow the drunken Welshman access to my Cab.

Newbie Cabbies get sucked in and when Gareth goes arse over apex and sues the Cabbie, the Royal George Hotel will be joined to the action.

The lesson is:

They (the Pubs) fill them full of piss for commercial gain. Ergo, they get these piss heads home safely themselves.

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Reply #35 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 9:35am

Amadd wrote on Jul 4^th, 2009 at 5:08pm:

I wonder how the decision would've gone 30yrs ago? It probably would've been laughed out of court.
It seems that even in the last two years we've slipped further into this stupid belief system.

You are right Amadd, although I'm wondering if it wasn't more stupid & dangerous back then. I was given a police escort home one night - less than 30 years ago. I had been talking to two detectives at a club after work and when I went to catch a taxi - they offered to drive behind me in case I was pulled over by the local police. I was definitely over the limit and home was 15 km away. They did drive behind me and got me home safely (& unconditionally), but I could have been killed or killed someone.

Laws were very lax then, but now with the population doubled - there's more of a chance of killing someone else apart from yourself. We have to have them in place - nobody (apart from the family) cares that much about a drunk getting killed, but when whole innocent families are wiped out - it's a different story.

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Reply #36 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 2:56pm

You weren't showing a bit of leg were you Mantra? Wink

They didn't give you a police escort home out of the goodness of their own hearts, they thought there may be a chance of something in return.

I think that good education is really the only way to allow people to make the right decisions. Threatening behavior by an oppressive legal system carries with it it's own responsibilities. If they want to continue down this path, then they'd better start supplying some damned good drugs free of charge to help counter the (largely unreported) shameful depression and suicide rate that we have in this country.

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Reply #37 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 8:30pm

Amadd wrote on Jul 5^th, 2009 at 2:56pm:

You weren't showing a bit of leg were you Mantra? Wink

They didn't give you a police escort home out of the goodness of their own hearts, they thought there may be a chance of something in return.

I think that good education is really the only way to allow people to make the right decisions. Threatening behavior by an oppressive legal system carries with it it's own responsibilities. If they want to continue down this path, then they'd better start supplying some damned good drugs free of charge to help counter the (largely unreported) shameful depression and suicide rate that we have in this country.

You're very cynical aren't you Amadd? People can do nice things for others out of the goodness of their heart. I knew these men anyway so I used their services, not the other way around - although in retrospect it was very stupid.

Threatening legal behaviour works on most people as they mature. It's only when you're young and thoughtless that you disregard the laws. Although in the long run it makes no difference - there aren't enough police around to enforce most of these laws anyway.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47316 At my desk.	Re: Pub liable for drink-drive death Reply #38 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 9:42pm Quote: People can do nice things for others out of the goodness of their heart. These are police we are talking about mantra. Didn't you say they followed your taxi home?
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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: Pub liable for drink-drive death Reply #39 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 9:44pm No - they followed my car home. I drove carefully though.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47316 At my desk.	Re: Pub liable for drink-drive death Reply #40 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 9:54pm I get it now That was a crazy thing for them to do. But then again, love makes men do crazy things. Did you at least offer them a cup of coffee?
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Pub liable for drink-drive death Reply #41 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 9:57pm mantra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2009 at 9:44pm: No - they followed my car home. I drove carefully though. You suuure they was cops?
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Reply #42 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 10:08pm

You've got it all wrong. They were just being nice. They were detectives that I knew through my work and those sort of incidents weren't too uncommon years ago. In fact it all happened at Iguana's nightclub (Iguanagate) which is where detectives used to meet up, but it was called something different back then. The whole area was corrupt and lawless, although it has improved over the last few years - I think.

And no FD - they didn't get invited in for a cup of coffee.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4230	Re: Pub liable for drink-drive death Reply #43 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 10:34pm Yes, pissed detectives escorting drink driver because goodness of their good hearts was very common 30 years back. Roger Rogerson did it all the time. Mantra, you must've been a stunner back then as I'm sure you are now but alas the Police Integrity Commission put the end to such police gallantry.
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Reply #44 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 10:35pm

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You're very cynical aren't you Amadd?

Yes I suppose I am.
I do believe people do nice things for no return all the time, however, a lot of times there may be underlying motives which shouldn't be ignored either.
I don't know how the situation with those cops evolved, but from a blokes POV, it probably stands out as being fairly obvious that there was at least a little bit of ulterior motive there.

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