mozzaok wrote on Jun 13
th, 2009 at 8:56am:
I think a few of you have just got so used to being lazy in how you frame your anti-Islamic opinions, that you fail to recognise the line you cross between reasonable debate, and extremist ranting.
Viewing some of the responses in this thread,
....i have to say, i agree!
Quote:The simple fact that you always refuse to make any differentiation between Islam, and Islamist Extremism, does your argument, and credibility no favours.
moz,
Very well then, let me pose these questions to you...
How do you [yourself] differentiate between,
- ISLAM, 'nice' moslems, and,
- ISLAMIST extremism ???
What are the tenets of ISLAM, which differentiate 'normal' ISLAM, from those ISLAMIST extremists?
And tell me this, what are the religious texts [
can you name them?], which inspire 'normal' ISLAM, and the devout 'nice' moslem?
And lastly, do you yourself, have any familiarity with the contents of those religious texts?
WHAT ARE, the religious texts, which inspire ISLAM, and devout 'nice' moslems, but whose doctrines of 'nice' ISLAM are apparently at odds with, and contradictory to the behaviour of ISLAMIST extremists?
My point being moz, that in actuality, there is no difference in the source of inspiration, of
all devout muslims.
The 'nice' moslems tell us 'unbelievers' that Jihadists [and that is what they are] are irreligious moslems, and that the Jihadists are misrepresenting true ISLAM.
BUT IF YOU STUDY ISLAMS RELIGIOUS TEXTS [YOURSELF] YOU CAN ONLY COME TO ONE CONCLUSION,
AND THAT IS THAT,
THAT ASSURANCE BY THE 'NICE' MOSLEMS IS A LIE.
And what is more,
all of the 'nice' moslems KNOW, THAT THEY ARE TELLING 'PORKIES'!
OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE,
AND UNDERSTAND, THAT THESE FOLLOWING KORAN AND HADITH VERSES ARE DESCRIBING,
....
THE EXPECTED CONDUCT OF, GOOD MUSLIMS!ISLAMIC religious texts and doctrine, teach that devout moslems should be compassionate and kind, **to each other**.
.... BUT, moslems should be unmerciful and that a
GOOD moslem, has enmity [hatred] towards 'unbelievers'.
"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other......"
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/048.qmt.html#048.029
ISLAMIC religious texts and doctrine, teaches of an unending war against Allah's enemies ['unbelievers'].
The Hadith...
"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.196
"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/002.sbt.html#001.002.025
And ISLAMIC law texts declare whom, moslems can lawfully kill,
i.e. the 'unbelievers', especially 'unbelievers' who oppose the spread of ISLAM...
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/law/fiqhussunnah/fus3_50.html#3.110
n.b. "Whoever......*becomes an unbeliever*.....his blood may legally be spilled."
That, is ISLAMIC doctrine.
Warfare against 'unbelievers', IS GOOD CONDUCT, for a moslem!
"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/033.qmt.html#033.021
And in the Koran, Allah, describes the attributes of the 'perfected' community, i.e. of
GOOD moslems....
"Ye [muslims] are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency;"
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.110
Enslaving, or [alternatively] killing, 'unbelievers', is
GOOD conduct, for all moselms.
Noble Quran 2:190 Footnote:
Jihad is holy fighting in Allahs Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allahs Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite.
....from page 39 of the Noble Qur’an , translation by Muhammad Khan