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What do you suggest they do instead mantra?

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Did you really feel terrorised mantra?

he's always doing that mantra..he calls me mantra all the time..

And I [ myself being oceanz/AG]suggest they use bike access roads..  if theyre isnt one..use the road at your own risk...some motorists cant see-hear/dont care/and are simply careless..take your own safety in your own hands when using a road..a helmet isnt going to give you any protection if a car swipes you...and be aware many motorists are stressed and if your just one more annoyance at the end of a long shi tty day..you may get yelled at.      

vigorously!!

OK then Oceans, did you really feel terrorised?

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Are you suggesting that motorists bear no responsibility for the safety of other road users? That they should be so free to rule the roads that the government must build a completely separate network for cyclists before they can get around safely?

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Are you aware the Rex broke the guy's finger?

Tell us about how you felt terrorised by the cyclist oceans.

If you don't know how to drive and can't control your emotional response, maybe you shouldn't be behind the wheel. You can't expect to have the streets cleared for you so you can drive around without thinking about what you are doing. Interacting with other road users in a safe manner is not something that you have to do instead of concentrating on driving - it is part of what concentrating on your driving is all about. You have to be able to do more than just steer down the middle of a lane to be a competent driver.

oceanz wrote on May 31^st, 2009 at 1:13pm:


Thankfully the justice system thinks differently.  You can't use violence just because you are upset, you can only do so when it is reasonable to prevent injury.

gotta put my2cents in...

what I find annoying bout the ballet cyclist is the inability to follow one simple law. no overtaking on the left hand side of the road between  a car and the gutter. it happens quite often that a stream of traffic builds up behind a cyclist beause the cyclist illegally creeps up on the left hand side of cars when a traffic light is red. when the light is about to turn green the cyclist invariabley starts before motorists so to get in front of the motor vehicles and thereby creates a traffic jam. I honestly believe that cyclists shouldn't be allowed on roads in peak hour periods, or on dual lane roads. further, where there is a designated bike lane on a road, the cyclist MUST remain in that lane or face a fine equal to a "fail to give way to oncoming traffic" fine. Further, all pushbikes used on the road should carry  sideview mirrors no smaller than those used on motorcycles.

As well, all cyclists in lycra should have to wear tutu's - cause whats with wearing leotards without a tutu? 

in response to your first remark. i'd believe that would be a viewpoint you could only make if you're the person on the bike. i assure you, you wouldn't think that if your the person sitting behind the cyclist who has just (illegally) positioned themselves in front of you (in the car waiting at the traffic lights waiting to turn green) and is now taking up the lane in front of you making it impossible to go any faster than the 5-10 kmh cyclists travel at.
secondly - for the same reason motorcyclists and any other road user has legally employ them on their vehicles. to make sure they can observe traffic behind them and to the side of them. it would also function as a reminder to cyclists that they are not the only road user.
for the same reason cyclists aren't allowed on freeways, cyclists shouldn't be allowed on any road rated at 60 kmh during peak hour periods. they only cause further congestion in my and many others opinion.....
the only reason one might proffer as a reason to allow cyclists on 60kmh roads is too reduce traffic flow - hoqwever i contend that the increased congestion they cause due to the speed they travel at excacerbates the situation by increasing the time spent on roads by the remaining roadusers from the increased congestion they cause by using up traffic lanes and slowing down the traffic.....