Quote:Mantra, I notice that the closer I get to a simple question for you, the harder you try to ignore it and change the topic. Why could you not directly respond to a single one of those points?
Yes I am FD - you are just not bothering to read them because you are so one-eyed on this subject.
Quote:But wait there's more. We should not merely give into corporate greed, we should roll over for them and actually ban their more ethical competitors.
How are you an ethical competitor FD? You are only hunting for yourself - no-one else.
Quote:Mantra, none of the arguments we have presented in favour of hunting hinge on either tradition or pleasure. You seem completely oblivious to this.
That is such an untruth and this is where you contradict yourself again. All you talk about is me and likeminded people trying to stop
your pleasure. Why do indigenous people hunt – because it is their “
tradition” – useless as it is in 2009. So there are your arguments –
tradition and pleasure.You are not hunting for any ultruistic reasons - so don't pretend you are.
Quote:The banning of culling of baby harp seals under a year Sounds like minimum sizes for fisheries mantra.
Yes – but we are talking about Russia – a starving country, not Australia with their well fed and wealthy hunters in comparison.
Quote:How does banning hunting in our National Parks increase the suffering of animals? There are a couple of obvious ways. When you ban the hunting of introduced pests like goats and dear, you force people onto more unethical sources of meat, which involve more animal suffering. Ytou even admitted to this above. "We would all prefer free range". Now you ask me to explain your own statements to you? Also, the ecological damage these animals cause results in further suffering.
FD - there is no-one monitoring the hunters' activities. Who's to say what animals are shot or wounded? The hunters are a law unto themselves. Yes – I agree with you – introduced pests do cause habitat destruction, but why can’t amateur hunters who only do it for pleasure be monitored by some law enforcement agency? Why are they allowed to take their great dirty 4WD’s, weapons & dogs into our parks, while visitors and tourists can’t?
If the hunters went out at night with spotlights under
strict supervision there might be a little merit in your argument.
Quote: Quote:Animals are becoming endangered and some on the border of extinction because indigenous hunters demand their rights to continue to hunt, although it's no longer necessary, apart from those living in remote areas.
You really should check your facts Mantra.
I have FD - otherwise I wouldn't have made the statement.
Quote:Again mantra, it is people's actions that count, not their motivation. To suggest that people who hunt goats, pigs, dear etc can only be motivated by one or the other is absurd. To suggest that a benefit is not an actual benefit because it is not the sole motivation is absurd. They are still feral animals, even when you eat them mantra. It seems every single argument you make is logically flawed. If I didn't know your style so well I would say you are actually trying to come up with flawed arguments. Pure chance should at least let you be correct occasionally.
It is not just feral animals you are allowed to shoot - that fact I've just discovered.
FD – I’ll try not to be as rude as you are being to me – but your arguments are too simplistic. You have learnt one basic doctrine and you keep repeating it.
Locutius was talking about feral animals having diseases. Are you telling me FD that the hunters who go out and slaughter pigs, foxes and goats actually eat the meat and feed their starving neighbours?
Quote:Mantra, if you can't grasp the basic logic, no amount of evidence will change your mind, because you won't understand what it means.
As far as this argument is concerned - we are both coming from parallel planets. You can't understand my reasoning and I can't understand yours.