That is a fraudulent email Locutius - it was a stupid email floating around last year and was disproved by Centrelink.  The refugees get the bare minimum for support and usually rely on volunteers for extra help of which there are only a few services available.

FD needs to change the name of this board to OZINTOLERANCE.

Does every thread in this forum have to be taken up with racism, hatred and vilification?

Way to go Mantra. Shoot the messanger. A question was asked.

Better cut back on the apologist pills I think. You're starting to lose the ability to distinguish between questions and debate and racial comments. It's the sort of rot that has stifled any sensible debate in this country.

Oh good. The guy that can't criticise or objectively comment on his own religion or bretheren showed up. I've really been put in my place now.

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Yes - you are right Locutius - it was only a question and I reacted angrily.  My apologies, but this forum which used to be so diverse is now obsessed and over-run with either anti-Muslim rhetoric or vilification of refugees.

Why do you think the vilification of Muslims is sensible debate?  The only one debating it sensibly is Abu.  Most of the posts - not yours - but others are just hate attacks on Islam, yet not a negative word can be uttered about Christianity with all its faults.

Free speech means I can also give my opinion and just because some don't like it - that's their problem.

mantra wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 9:55am:



Yea right you only can be bothered to right something that you can't be bothered to confirm.

BTW, your jewphobic mates lestat and abu have only themselves to blame for disrepute that they caused to their own ideology.

It's a load of bollocks.

I'm not sure what the load of bollocks is that FD is referring to - but as far as Centrelink extra services go - that's a load of bollocks.

A lot of these services were outsourced and there have been many complaints about refugees just being dumped and left to fend for themselves.  The few reliable services they depend upon are usually by volunteer organisations.

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/refugee-payment-hoax.shtml

freediver wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 10:47am:


The particular email might be, but that sentiment behind it is not.

We are a nation of welfare dependence. Huge sums poured into welfare, making it more attractive to be on welfare than it is to work in an entry level job.

And we also continue to import people into this country who have no loyalty to it, and just have their hands out, whatever the figures are. It's also very hard to find out what the figures are.

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2009 at 8:52am:

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2009 at 6:36pm:


Still relying on that solitary/bogus report two years down the track, hey FD?

I might actually believe the report if you could find me similar reports with different researchers, but nothing beats grasping at straws, hey FD?

It's interesting to note that the head researcher of this report, 'Professor'(LMAO... 'professor') Kerry Carrington, seems to have a rather anti-racist/multiculturalist opinion in her earlier work in 1990. Indicating of course that she had a tendency towards bias in her later 'report' in 2007 from the very start. Newscorp, of course, overlook this. Why am I not surprised?

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2009 at 7:39pm:


Well all the immigrants I know, FD, are extremely lazy.

Furthermore, are you talking about third-world or civilised immigrants? The third-worlders I have known are extremely lazy workers (Not to mention liars and scammers) as they come to believe Australia is a free ride, whereas civilsed immigrants are actually educated enough to believe they need to give back something back to the community they've immigrated to.

It's only a misconception that third-world immigrants work harder than the average Australian. This misconception was circulated for YEARS by the eastern/southern European immigrants of the 1950s. Still widely believed today I guess. The 'ocker' image/lazy Aussie image only came about after the late 1960s. Otherwise, Australians saw themselves as rather sophisticated with a good work ethic.

Australians are actually very hard-working people FD, as much as you'd like us to believe otherwise.

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freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2009 at 8:46pm:


We 'see' ourselves in that way, but does that necessarily mean we 'act' in that way?

No they don't.

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2009 at 8:52am:


Find me the figures that show what you get paid on welfare as a refugee, and the increase per kid as a refugee.

It's very very difficult to track down, together with rent assistance, housing commission priority, discount travel, discount medicine.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 9:37am:


And you love it dont you ped?

Maybe it's time you put your detective hat on.

So how do the polygamists get away with it here? Firstly, it needs to be understood that the generous benefits system allows any man and the partner he lives with to claim benefits together  -  even if the woman is not officially registered as his wife.

If they do marry, to avoid breaking Britain's bigamy laws, such men often engage in a ceremony with their second or third wife in a Nikah secretly in their own homes and never register the union officially in this country.

Another technique is for the man to divorce his first wife under British law while continuing to live with her as his spouse under Islamic law. He then gets a visa for a new wife to enter the country and can legally marry her here.

Moreover, our politically correct immigration rules state that if a husband has divorced his first wife under British law  -  and even if that divorce is actually suspected to be part of a plan to set up a polygamous household  -  a second wife from abroad must be allowed to come and live here.

During this investigation, I spoke to health workers and benefits officers who have seen at first-hand the scale of polygamy in Britain.

An NHS district nurse working in Tower Hamlets, East London, explained that it was now commonplace. He said he knew of a Bangladeshi-born male patient with two wives and 13 children aged between three months and 15 years.

'The women have council flats, each paid for by the local authority. The elderly husband collects benefits for both women, who are in their 30s. The wives speak very little English, but they are in and out of each other's flats and are friends.

'On more than one occasion when I have been called to the flats to give treatment to the old man, I have heard them talking in the kitchen and even taking each other's children to the park.'

The male nurse said this family set-up was not unusual. 'I know of others that comprise of one husband, a number of wives and numerous children.

'It is not difficult to conclude that if there were no state benefits, a man could not afford to live like this, especially here in London.

'The system is at fault. The men want more wives for their sexual pleasure, but also because it is lucrative.'

Yet there is another issue to be raised. Are the Government figures of around 1,000 foreign men living polygamously a gross underestimate?

Recently, a senior imam in Finchley, North London, said there are at least 4,000 men involved in such marriages.

Meanwhile, to show just how far some men have stretched the teaching of the Koran, another senior Islamist, Dr Ghayasuddin Siddiqui, of the Muslim Parliament of Great Britain, has revealed a case of a man living here with five wives.

But what, indeed, of the wives living in polygamous marriages themselves?

In an age of supposed sexual equality, how can they accept what many will feel is the degradation that goes hand in hand with polygamy?

Not surprisingly, few dare to speak out publicly for fear that they will be ostracised by their families.

But one 34-year-old mother who lives in the Bangladeshi community of East London rang the Mail because she said she wants to reveal the truth of what is happening.

Sitting in her kitchen in Newham, she reeled off a list of male relatives and friends who have two or three wives.

What is more, the woman  -  who does not want to be named for fear of attacks on her and her family  -  said that polygamy is tacitly encouraged by our benefits system, where few questions are asked or checks made.

The woman, whom we will call Kaela, arrived in Britain with her mother and younger brother when she was 11.

They were following her father, who had come to Britain from a poor province called Sylhet, seeking work in the food factories of West London.

Kaela learned English, went to a local comprehensive and, at 19, fell in love with a Bangladeshi-born boy who had also arrived in this country as a youngster.

They married, set up home in a small council flat and soon had two children. Kaela worked hard for her family. With a clutch of GCSEs, she became an adviser to the Bangladeshi community on issues such as welfare, housing and education. She now works as a parttime civil servant.

Yet, two years ago, her husband suddenly disappeared back to Bangladesh and, in an Islamic Nikah ceremony, married a 19-year-old second wife who has since given birth to his son.

'My husband has a British passport and plans to come back into this country with his two-year-old boy and his new wife.

'He has not given me a penny. He knows that the State will provide for us. He has told me to tell the authorities I have been deserted and claim income support, housing benefit and council tax.'

But what of his second wife? Kaela suspects the shy teenager without any English will be brought into Britain on a tourist visa, pretending to be her own son's nanny.

'I have seen it happen before,' Kaela explains. 'I know of one man living in East London who has two wives here, each with a flat, and a third wife in Bangladesh. Between the wives, there are five children under 13, all living in this country.

'The first two women look after the third wife's child. So who pays to keep this enormous family? The State, of course.

'I have an uncle who lives near Heathrow who has two wives. They are all together in a big five-bedroom house, with off-street parking. It is a council flat and the rent is paid from housing benefits because he does not work.

tallowood wrote on Feb 6^th, 2009 at 10:04am:



They are shape changers though, and they can get in through the cracks in your doors and murder you during the night. I know, because I watched Borat.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 27^th, 2009 at 10:48am:


They game the system here though. Multiple wives are illegal, so what they do, is keep their harem, get the women to claim single mothers pensions, and dont declare them as 'wives'. The other trick is to say they are the 'nannies' or some other relative, like a cousin. That way...not a dependant, so they can claim their own welfare payments.

They've got us all figured out - don't you worry about that.