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I just don't see sex tourism as anything to do with Australian values. I think it is very odd that you would portray Australian culture that way.

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I have plenty to back it up.

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It is the interopretation of the facts which we disagree on. Back when western women were in a similar role of servitude and dependence, divorce rates were similarly low. Low divorce rates can just as easily signal a culture that oppresses women and sees them as sex objects.

Soren wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 8:25am:




soren,

Rather than suffering the deflections of ppl like Lestat, because you use the term 'Mohammedan countries', for the purpose of the debate, would it be worth instead, referring to those places as Sharia jurisdictions [i.e places where ISLAM has influence] ??

Yadda,

What soren refers to as "Mahommedan countries" and what you advised him to refer to as "Shariah jurisdictions" are pretty much all under exclusively European-based law systems. There are very few Muslim countries that did not wholesale adopt Europe codes of law, when they gained their 'independance'.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:50pm:




abu,

What is currently happening in, for example, Jordan and Egypt today, don't exactly reflect legal systems, which a casual observer would understand to be modelled upon ".....exclusively European-based law systems."








abu,

YOUR CLAIMS, ARE QUOTED ABOVE.

THE FACTS, ARE STATED BELOW, BY EXAMPLE.....




SHARIA JURISDICTIONS ARE ALWAYS TOLERANT AND ACCOMMODATING OF NON-MUSLIMS,
.....except when they are not,

Monday June 09, 2008
JORDAN: COURT ANNULS CHRISTIAN CONVERT’S MARRIAGE
"By leaving Islam, ‘apostate’ loses right because he ‘has no creed.’.....
....The North Amman Sharia Court in April dissolved the marriage of Mohammad Abbad, on trial for apostasy, or leaving Islam.
The 40-year-old convert fled Jordan with his wife and two young children in March after another Christian convert’s relatives attacked Abbad’s family in their home and his father demanded custody of Abbad’s children.
Marriage depends on the creed [religion], and the apostate has no creed, a May 22 court document stated, detailing reasons for the April 22 annulment. According to the document, Judge Faysal Khreisat had proven the veracity of [Abbad’s] apostasy."
http://www.compassdirect.org/en/display.php?page=news&lang=en&length=long&idelem...

This example above, sounds like a system of law influenced by ISLAM,
....and not a "European-based law system".




Egypt Rules Christian Convert Must Remain Legally Muslim
Feb. 03 2008
An Egyptian judge ruled this week in an unprecedented case that a Muslim who converted to Christianity cannot legally change his religious status....
.....Muhammad Hegazy, 25, lost his case on Tuesday when Judge Muhammad Husseini of a court in Cairo said according to sharia, or Islamic law, Islam is the final and most complete religion and therefore Muslims already practice full freedom of religion and cannot convert to an older belief (Christianity or Judaism),
.....The judge didn’t listen to our defense, and we didn’t even have a chance to talk before the court, said Gamel Eid, head of the Arab Network for Human Rights Information (ANHRI) to U.S. Copts Association.
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080203/egypt-rules-christian-convert-must...

This example above, sounds like a system of law influenced by ISLAM,
....and not a "European-based law system".




An apostate [i.e. a person now a non-muslim] accused can't even present his case, his defence, to a judge in Sharia court?

This doesn't sound very much like a "European-based law system" to me.

Koran,

"....those who reject (Allah),- for them is destruction, and (Allah) will render their deeds astray (from their mark).
....those who reject Allah have no protector."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/047.qmt.html#047.008
v. 8-11



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But, but, but, that is an un-ISLAMIC ruling, surely?

"Let there be no compulsion in religion......."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.256

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 1:12pm:


Isn't that what Soren just did? Completely changing the topic to do so.

And its a bit rich, considering that you are more then happy to characterize 'evil muslims' by actions of some. Then again...you've always been known to thrive on double standards and hypocricy.

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Prostitution is pretty widespread in Australian society, denying this just means you're trying to cover it over. A LOT of people frequent them at some time in their lives, and besides that it's legal and accepted by the society at large.

Compare that to Shi'a temporary marriage, which probably isn't acceptable in any Muslim country except Iran. It's not just a matter of a minority of people doing it, it's a matter of a completely seperate sub-group of people doing it, completely detached and unaccepted by the rest. If for instance, only New Zealanders had prostitutes, and Canada, US, Australia, UK etc. did not... And then I claimed that Australians frequent prostitutes, because 10% of 'Westerners' do (ie. New Zealanders).

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2009 at 10:14am:


lol..where do you want me to start. How bout your wiki for starters.

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 1:12pm:


I doubt there would be much difference between male visitation of prostitutes in the west as vs the land of Islam. If anything,because you cant just go and meet a girl in a pub and sleep with her, ud think prostitution would be more prevalent in Islamic sexually repressed places.  But who knows for sure.