Quote:Remember independant media are not allowed anywhere near Palestine to check out whether the truth is being told or not.
Right, just like terrorists aren;t allowed in there either.
Quote:Are you also aware that there are rogue fighters in Gaza as well who want to hurt the Israelis as much as they've hurt them.
Understatement of the year.
mantra wrote on Jan 13
th, 2009 at 8:04am:
That isn't exactly right Sprintcyclist. You and I have disagreed and agreed on many things in the past, so this is not personal, but you really need to open your mind a little.
Hamas has tried to have peace talks with Israel to share the land peacefully - but it is Israel who has broken agreements and treaties with the UN, EU & UK. Israel wants everything at any cost. They were given an inch, but they took a mile.
This from an Israeli militant who once served loyally in the IDF. I don't expect you to read it because it's easier to remain ignorant with a heart full of hate.
I write as someone who served loyally in the Israeli army in the mid-1960s and who has never questioned the legitimacy of the state of Israel within its pre-1967 borders. What I utterly reject is the Zionist colonial project beyond the Green Line. The Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in the aftermath of the June 1967 war had very little to do with security and everything to do with territorial expansionism. The aim was to establish Greater Israel through permanent political, economic and military control over the Palestinian territories. And the result has been one of the most prolonged and brutal military occupations of modern times.
Four decades of Israeli control did incalculable damage to the economy of the Gaza Strip. With a large population of 1948 refugees crammed into a tiny strip of land, with no infrastructure or natural resources, Gaza's prospects were never bright. Gaza, however, is not simply a case of economic under-development but a uniquely cruel case of deliberate de-development. To use the Biblical phrase, Israel turned the people of Gaza into the hewers of wood and the drawers of water, into a source of cheap labour and a captive market for Israeli goods. The development of local industry was actively impeded so as to make it impossible for the Palestinians to end their subordination to Israel and to establish the economic underpinnings essential for real political independence.
Gaza is a classic case of colonial exploitation in the post-colonial era. Jewish settlements in occupied territories are immoral, illegal and an insurmountable obstacle to peace. They are at once the instrument of exploitation and the symbol of the hated occupation. In Gaza, the Jewish settlers numbered only 8,000 in 2005 compared with 1.4 million local residents. Yet the settlers controlled 25% of the territory, 40% of the arable land and the lion's share of the scarce water resources. Cheek by jowl with these foreign intruders, the majority of the local population lived in abject poverty and unimaginable misery. Eighty per cent of them still subsist on less than $2 a day. The living conditions in the strip remain an affront to civilised values, a powerful precipitant to resistance and a fertile breeding ground for political extremism.http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine Quote:Also the tv shows glorifying the "martyrs" and the indoctrination from preschoolers about islam
This may or may not be true because the sources aren't credible.
So how do the neighbouring nations who refused to have anything to do with the Palestinians fit into that theory?
Quote:Yes it appears that way, but then the Jews have a superpower backing them and if you learn a little about the origins of those who have been controlling Washington - you will understand why. The majority of them are wealthy zionists and money buys a lot of power.
Rather than focussing on the shadowy people allegedly pulling the strings from behind the scenes, perhaps you should look at what actually happens. You can explain away anything with those shadowy figures.
Quote:This is not just about Islam, most people want to live peacefully, it is about a group of old men who want control of not only the western world, but the ME as well and the propaganda they use to achieve domination.
This is about Israel mantra. You can't twist that issue backwards so it fits into your attack on 'western media'.
Quote:Do you know that globally the Jewish people have become divided, not only because of the Gaza conflict, but Iraq & Afghanistan as well. There is world wide condemnation for these attrocities committed by the US and Israel.
So have Christians. So have atheists. None of that has anything to do with Israel's right to exist. Difference of opinion is part of democracy, not proof of wrong.
Quote:in much the same way that Hamas is a resistance organisition, resisting Israeli occupation and aggressions
Is that your way of saying they don't believe Israel has a right to exist?
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