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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Israel Palestine & Ghandi-style resistance Reply #30 - Jan 11^th, 2009 at 6:58am And there have always been Muslims in Spain, and Australia for that matter...
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Reply #31 - Jan 11^th, 2009 at 10:38am

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Wonder if you'd accept that any Spanish who resisted were responsible for any civilians killed etc.

If they tried to hide behind women and children to launch rockets, yes they would be responsible. I'm not sure why you have such trouble with this concept Abu. It is a cowardly, childish, petulant, self destructive act.

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So yeh, sounds like a good idea to me

So your philsophy is not based on peace at all, but Muslim conquest? Or in other words, peace through Islamic subjugation?

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Calanen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2241	Re: Israel Palestine & Ghandi-style resistance Reply #32 - Jan 11^th, 2009 at 10:48am abu_rashid wrote on Jan 11^th, 2009 at 6:58am: And there have always been Muslims in Spain, and Australia for that matter... Always?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50566 At my desk.	Re: Israel Palestine & Ghandi-style resistance Reply #33 - Jan 11^th, 2009 at 12:36pm That's an unusual claim to make. I wonder what he meant by it? I hope he isn;t trying to equate Spain and Australia to Israel.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Israel Palestine & Ghandi-style resistance Reply #34 - Jan 11^th, 2009 at 1:59pm Yes Calanen there wer Mosques and settlements and trading with the rest of the world set up by Muslims centuries ago in australia... it is hidden and kept invisible from the eyes of the infidels by the power of Allah.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Israel Palestine & Ghandi-style resistance Reply #35 - Jan 11^th, 2009 at 7:55pm Always is a pretty loose word. As it implies eternity. Let's just say my "always" was as relevant as the "always" claim of Jews having been in Palestine. However, Muslims in Australia predate Europeans.
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Reply #36 - Jan 11^th, 2009 at 7:59pm

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I hope he isn;t trying to equate Spain

As I mentioned above, the Islamic state in al-Andalus (Spain) lasted longer than the Jewish kingdom in Palestine. And it's less time since we were expelled from there... So actually it would make much more sense for Muslims to return to al-Andalus than it made for the Jews to return to Palestine.

Obviously that'll be completely irrational to you, as facts and figures mean little when Muslims are always wrong, and Jews/Westerners are always right.... Don't know why I bother really.

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Reply #37 - Jan 11^th, 2009 at 8:12pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 11^th, 2009 at 7:59pm:

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I hope he isn;t trying to equate Spain

As I mentioned above, the Islamic state in al-Andalus (Spain) lasted longer than the Jewish kingdom in Palestine. And it's less time since we were expelled from there... So actually it would make much more sense for Muslims to return to al-Andalus than it made for the Jews to return to Palestine.

Obviously that'll be completely irrational to you, as facts and figures mean little when Muslims are always wrong, and Jews/Westerners are always right.... Don't know why I bother really.

The question on everyone's lips - why do you bother indeed. Nobody believes you. As I said, your moral compass is unacceptable and so even historical facts are sure to be contorted and disfigured in your hands. In so far as you may represent muslim minds, you simply reinforce the hunch that muslims cannot be trusted.
Your every utterance shows that your mind is not lit by reason but by submission.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Israel Palestine & Ghandi-style resistance Reply #38 - Jan 11^th, 2009 at 8:19pm oH puhlease there were no muslims settlements in Australia the europeans were the first to settle here and create cities etc, etc, etc... Honestly Abu you are brainwashed.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Israel Palestine & Ghandi-style resistance Reply #39 - Jan 11^th, 2009 at 8:35pm Grendel, all historians agree Muslims came here before Europeans. Nobody said they built settlements, but doesn't mean they didn't. Surely they built no metropolis'.
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Calanen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2241	Re: Israel Palestine & Ghandi-style resistance Reply #40 - Jan 11^th, 2009 at 8:40pm Quote: Grendel, all historians agree Muslims came here before Europeans. Tell us what Muslims came to Australia Abu.
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Reply #41 - Jan 11^th, 2009 at 9:12pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 11^th, 2009 at 7:59pm:

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I hope he isn;t trying to equate Spain

As I mentioned above, the Islamic state in al-Andalus (Spain) lasted longer than the Jewish kingdom in Palestine. And it's less time since we were expelled from there... So actually it would make much more sense for Muslims to return to al-Andalus than it made for the Jews to return to Palestine.

Obviously that'll be completely irrational to you, as facts and figures mean little when Muslims are always wrong, and Jews/Westerners are always right.... Don't know why I bother really.

No Abu, it is absurd because religion does not 'own' blocks of land. The fact that Spain was once part of a various militant expansionist empires, one of which happened to be Islam, does not mean Muslims have some right to start launching rockets.

It is a totally delusional standard to apply. Soren is right, your moral compass is broken.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Israel Palestine & Ghandi-style resistance Reply #42 - Jan 11^th, 2009 at 9:33pm Good grief there was little trade and bartering between the natives and some seamen... oh yeah lets try and make that sound bigger than it really is... You are deluded Abu.
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Reply #43 - Jan 11^th, 2009 at 10:18pm

Calanen,

the Maccasans came to Australia prior to Europeans. Accounts of their visits here are recorded in aboriginal cave paintings, as we all as local oral history in both North Australia and Indonesia.

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Macassan trepangers and Bugis traders from Sulawesi(formerly Cele bes) visited the coast of northern Australia for hundreds of years prior to arrival of Europeans in Australia to fish for trepang (also known as sea cucumber or "sandfish"), a marine invertebrate prized for its culinary and medicinal values in Chinese markets.

During the voyages the Macassan's left their mark on the people of northern Australia — in language, art, economy and even genetics in the descendants of both Macassan and Indigenous Australian ancestors that are now found on both sides of the Arafura and Banda Seas.

Source: Wikipedia

Btw, the reason why there was no settlements was probably because, contrary to popular myth, Muslims didn't just go and take any land they found, claiming it was 'terra nullius' and consider it's inhabitants as part of the local fauna.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Israel Palestine & Ghandi-style resistance Reply #44 - Jan 11^th, 2009 at 10:20pm You got a date for that? I note it states exactly what I did. BTW I hardly think they left what the article states... it certainly isn't there today in any shape or form worth bragging about. Just another Muslim blowhard.
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