And I guess you had no problems with anti-wacists using the death of this man to forward their 'agenda?'



What an outrage! Using this man's death to promote their anti-waaaaaaaacist agenda! They should be ashamed of themselves. Right Mozzaok?  

Poor Donald, the misunderstood xenophobe.

As far as the issue of Tyler's death is concerned, their is no reason to believe the police had any racial motive for shooting Tyler, as opposed to Martin Luther King, a black, civil rights leader, assassinated while in the middle of the world's biggest ever civil rights campaign, I would think even somewhat as ill equipped to follow logical reasoning, as yourself, could spot the difference there.

Your trying to make the point that his reported altercation earlier that day, contributed to his agitated state of mind, which almost certainly, made him a far greater threat.

So it is worth noting the incident, but until further information is available, it is hard to make a balanced judgement of where, and how much blame, gets attached to the incident.


Now Ammad, I have always agreed that this was a tragedy, and I would have far preferred to see the police having been able to safely subdue him.
I have always thought that serious questions needed to be asked about how they came to use such a high degree of force, but I also felt that to prejudge them, which is what you did, was grossly unfair.

If, after an enquiry, and all the facts come to light, any blame is apportioned the police, then would be the right time to make criticisms of them.

I certainly think the idea of attaching malevolent intent to their actions is the most unfair aspect of criticism of them.

Ultimately, we must accept that the boy did threaten people, police and citizens, with death threats, he was armed, and he resisted violently, when non lethal means were tried to subdue him.

Even if the police are found not to have used perfect judgement, Tyler's actions are the ones that precipitated this unfortunate tragedy.

I think he means the sociopaths who run the show appeal to your emotional/human integrity in order to get support for their insane actions, and mislead and manipulate the population to meet these ends.

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Yes.
I've done it myself, where I supported the Iraq war if the WMD's were found.
They weren't found, but I found myself defending the actions by saying that the Iraqis needed to be freed, Saddam was a monster..etc.

Of course it says it all.
Experience tells me that I shouldn't blindly trust the word of so called "authority" figures under any circumstance. And I also shouldn't trust media spin.
There was no use highlighting that statement, because I make no bones about it, I don't trust the system.
It's a pschological bully boy bs system IMO. They don't protect anything but their own interests.

And no, it's practically nothing to do with the story that I mentioned earlier. It's much more to do with a time a few years back when I was set up for a ridiculous bs "failing to indicate" fare and I decided to have my one and only "day in court". There I witnessed a police officer give false testimony and it was this that caused me to reflect on all of the times that I was put in personal danger at the hands of the police and the system. And it made me wonder why somebody like me, with a squeaky clean criminal record, has to part with so much money without harming a single soul or putting anybody in danger at their every command. It also made me wonder how many other people constantly get shafted and just choose to bow to "the man".

Before that point, I let it all slide and continued to trust that I was just unlucky to come across a few bad apples. But luck has nothing to do with much at all IMO, it's just the way things are.
You may say that their value to me is indirect, but I know for certain that they don't give a rat's rosy ringhole about individual rights, they care about control, power and money, nomatter what their phony outward appearance says.


“… Authority has always attracted the lowest elements in the human race. All through history mankind has been bullied by scum. Those who lord it over their fellows and toss commands in every direction and would boss the grass in the meadow about which way to bend in the wind are the most depraved kind of prostitutes. They will submit to any indignity, perform any vile act, do anything to achieve power. … Every government is a parliament of whores. [We pay them to get screwed?] The trouble is, in a democracy the whores are us.” – P. J. O’Rourkei

Maybe you didn't read it correctly, but it was the lying under oath for a petty charge which was bs in the first place that I was so taken aback by.

Lucky for you Helian, mummy kept you safe and sound indoors and you never got to see anything with your own eyes.

I'm sure I could be a very good liar if I put my mind to it.