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Dec 8th, 2008 at 12:55pm
 
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A man charged over cartoons showing sex acts involving children modelled on The Simpsons characters has failed to have his child pornography convictions overturned.

In the NSW Supreme Court on Monday, Justice Michael Adams ruled a fictional cartoon character was a "person" within the meaning of the relevant state and Commonwealth laws.

In February, Alan John McEwan was convicted in Parramatta Local Court of possessing child pornography and using his computer to access child pornography.

"The alleged pornography comprised a series of cartoons depicting figures modelled on members of the television animated series The Simpsons," the judge said.

The cartoons showed characters like Bart, Lisa and Maggie Simpson having sex.

The man was convicted and fined $3,000 and placed on a good behaviour bond.

"In my view, the magistrate was correct in determining that, in respect of both the Commonwealth and the NSW offences, the word 'person' included fictional or imaginary characters ...," the judge said.

"... the mere fact that the figure depicted departed from a realistic representation in some respects of a human being did not mean that such a figure was not a 'person'."

In dismissing the appeal, the judge ordered each party to pay its own legal costs as this was the first case dealing with this "difficult" issue.


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I've got these pictures somewhere in my inbox. Am I going to get arrested?
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Reply #1 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 1:07pm
 
You definitely shouldn't have anything like that at work. I'd be deleting them ASAP if I were you.
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Reply #2 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 1:19pm
 
I have portable wireless internet and a web based email account, and have for a few years. The wireless is registered to a company I have never worked for, yet I get unrestricted use of it, legally. So the images are not on my hard disk.

Will I be safe?

If I forward them, can I get done for distribution of CP?
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Reply #3 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 1:34pm
 
No you are not safe. If you did forward it, contact the people you sent it to by phone and tell them to delete it. Delete it from your web based email too. Then empty your trash and hope the service provider doesn't keep records for a long time. Chances are the various service providers will start searching for these images on their servers.

If you viewed the images at all they could still be on your hard disk - eg in your temporary internet files etc. Even if you delete it from there a good IT guy can still show that it was on your computer.
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Reply #4 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 2:02pm
 
Does it help if my reply to the email was along the lines of "Don't send me this filth!"?

Also, this stuff is all over the internet. Access to the internet means you have access to this stuff.

I doubt I forwarded it.

I've got gmail and gigs of emails in there. It will be hard to scan all my emails. I'll have a look though.

I have this program called Eraser or something like that. You delete files, then set eraser up for when you go to bed, and it overwrites your free disk space like a zillion times with random nonsense code, and then it even wipes the magnet on the drive. IT guys can't get through that.
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Reply #5 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 2:33pm
 
According to Law and Order, they don't always work either. But good luck. I would expect that if you showed 'good faith' then the cops would not prosecute you. Unless of course they are out to get you, in which case you are screwed.
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Reply #6 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 9:19am
 
The Courier Mail actually posted one of the pictures in its article. Now everybody that read it will be guilty of possessing it because it's in their cache.
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Reply #7 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 11:17am
 
That's odd. Was it before the verdict? Maybe it was one of the images not deemed to be pornographic, or they edited it sufficiently. They wouldn;t do that with any other child porn. Do they have the image online?
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Reply #8 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 11:29am
 
I haven't seen the images in question, but it is hard to imagine cartoon characters as being sexual.

I know some pc game type anime artists create very lifelike images, but I would not include 'Simpsons" style cartoons as being realistic interpretations.
I guess a lot would depend on how they are done, but it does seem a little over they top, if they were meant to be humourous rather than pornographic.
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Reply #9 - Dec 10th, 2008 at 8:57pm
 
I'm waiting for the Lisa Simpson "Finally 18" pictorial in FHM  Wink Roll Eyes...
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freediver wrote on Dec 9th, 2008 at 11:17am:
That's odd. Was it before the verdict? Maybe it was one of the images not deemed to be pornographic, or they edited it sufficiently. They wouldn;t do that with any other child porn. Do they have the image online?


I'm not even going to look for it, let alone provide a link.
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Reply #11 - Dec 14th, 2008 at 1:58pm
 
ah yeah man I've seen stuff like this. it's everywhere

just google 'inspector gadget' without safesearch on and there's an image of him having sex with his daughter- it's pretty nasty man and you can find it easy

frickin weird if you ask me
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Reply #12 - Dec 17th, 2008 at 6:29pm
 
Holy crap, I thought that whole lolicon thing was just an urban legend.

Haha, I guess now if I want to put Australia into anarchy all I gotta' do is spam everybody's inbox with cartoon porn. It'll be just like Atlas Shrugged!

Sept no rape inducing enlightenment.


....Or will there? Grin


But in all seriousness. That's fricking lame. I know you guys don't have freedom of speech like we do. But that's why you need to get pissed off and break poo. That's just unacceptable man. It's not like their real kids.

And even if they were. Who cares? Owning porn in and of itself shouldn't be a crime. The girl I voted for in the libertarian primaries was Mary Ruwart. Her position was that owning evidence to a crime doesn't make you a criminal. If that were the case, everyone who watches Cops is a criminal.

I mostly have shotacon on my computer.

Lolicon=Little girls
Shotacon=Little boys

Granted since it's manga, you wouldn't know the difference till the pants come off.
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Reply #13 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 9:32am
 
if you have child porn you are supporting the child porn industry and thus supporting the crime of child abuse and pedophilia- end of story

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Gaybriel wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 9:32am:
if you have child porn you are supporting the child porn industry and thus supporting the crime of child abuse and pedophilia- end of story


Well that's under the pretense that it's abuse.

I only consider it abuse if it's actually hurting someone. Where they cry, whimper, shake, and die.

Pedophilia for me falls into the same category as rape. It's wrong, but then so are alot of things. But you don't see the law getting involved with them.

Unless it's outright murder, the law should meet situations with cold apathy. Because frankly, people lie. They lie, they excaggerate, and they're only involved to get back at somebody else. It's all alot of personal drama really. And they think the law enforcement is their personal army.

I should know, I'm an officer. Every five minutes someone's whining to me cause there's an argument or a "domestic disturbance".

Figure out for yourselves. Jesus Christ. You don't need me. I'm just here to make sure people aren't stealing poo.
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And they think the law enforcement is their personal army.


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I'm just here to make sure people aren't stealing poo.


So they don't realise you are someone else's personal army, not theirs, and you are not paid to care about their problems?
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Reply #16 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 1:28pm
 
Jim Profit wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 11:11am:
Gaybriel wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 9:32am:
if you have child porn you are supporting the child porn industry and thus supporting the crime of child abuse and pedophilia- end of story


Well that's under the pretense that it's abuse.

I only consider it abuse if it's actually hurting someone. Where they cry, whimper, shake, and die.

Pedophilia for me falls into the same category as rape. It's wrong, but then so are alot of things. But you don't see the law getting involved with them.

Unless it's outright murder, the law should meet situations with cold apathy. Because frankly, people lie. They lie, they excaggerate, and they're only involved to get back at somebody else. It's all alot of personal drama really. And they think the law enforcement is their personal army.

I should know, I'm an officer. Every five minutes someone's whining to me cause there's an argument or a "domestic disturbance".

Figure out for yourselves. Jesus Christ. You don't need me. I'm just here to make sure people aren't stealing poo.


holy crap- you're a police officer...wow

as to the rest.

so say a child is being raped and they don't cry. that's not abuse?

there was a case here recently where a guy had child porn involving babies of about 12 months. you think that that's ok as long as the kid wasn't crying?

what about people who groom their children to sexually service adults? you think the children have the capacity to understand and consent to what's going on?

I understand the need for objectivity- but at the same time, you do need to have compassion for people who are genuine victims of the sickness of others.

sure you can't just lock people away cause someone tells you a bad story- you need evidence etc etc- but you also shouldn't undermine other people's trauma just because you yourself don't understand it.

you can still approach someone with sympathy and understanding and ascertain the truth. that way you actually lessen the risk of futher traumatising someone who's been through something nasty. unless you're ok with messing people around?

I don't see how you can be a police officer and not want to deal with people. it's kind part of the package.

if you didn't want to deal with people why didn't you join the army or become a security guard- you'd have to deal a lot less with the 'inconvenience' of human emotion there
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Reply #17 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 1:30pm
 
He's not a cop. He's a security guard.
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oh....

then I retract my questions!
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freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 1:30pm:
He's not a cop. He's a security guard.

Yes, most people get confused about that lol!

The proper etiquite we call ourselves is security officer.

And ussually I just say officer for short. Seeing as I am of authority, just a different sort. Frankly I wouldn't want to be a cop.

Solving murders and busting drug dealers. Those are the things I defend! lawl!

I only care about three things...

Not hurting kids. (And I mean not hurting them. You know, beating them and killing them. Same goes with animals..)
My girlfriend.
And property/money.


Other then that, nothing really phases me. Never has. Occassionaly my political opponents think they can piss me off with dead baby photos and laugh about the legalty of abortion.

But no. If I was all weak and blubbery, that doesn't help anyone and only makes those sons a bitches feel good. I hate other people's happiness. Especially my enemies..

I like making kids happy though, and dogs, and especially my girlfriend. Granted there's moments where I just don't want to be bothered and have smacked around some kids/animals before cause I want to be left the hell alone lol!

It's too complicated to get into in a single post about the balance between wanting to take away other people's happiness but making exceptions. That's why I need to work on my book The Religion of Evil..


As someone who actively worships The Devil(s), even though I mostly glorify Satan (wrath) and pay homage mostly to Asmodeous (lust), I'm actually more attuned with Lucifer. (Pride) And I have a talent of fitting music with the mood. It's a shame copyright laws and poo would prevent me from adding a music cd with the book. Because I told my girlfriend that if you truly wanted to feel my religion, you would need something with a grunge base but no lyrics, the sound of humans clutters and ruins it. I hate the noise of human chatter.. and it has to be antagonistic, like something that would hurt the ears if played unexpectedly and loudly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auJO-UVmams

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Reply #20 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 6:15pm
 
so you don't think someone having sex with a child hurts them?
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Gaybriel wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 6:15pm:
so you don't think someone having sex with a child hurts them?

No more then having sex with anyone else possibly hurts them.

I suppose it could hurt someone emotionaly. But that's not so much the sex in and of itself but the emotional attachment. But I don't see laws against heartbreaking.
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uh yeah- good call

ignoring those ignorant comments themselves- rape also physically hurts man. especially for a child
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Reply #23 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 8:51pm
 
Jim Profit wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 5:30pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 1:30pm:
He's not a cop. He's a security guard.

Yes, most people get confused about that lol!

The proper etiquite we call ourselves is security officer.

And ussually I just say officer for short. Seeing as I am of authority, just a different sort. Frankly I wouldn't want to be a cop.

Solving murders and busting drug dealers. Those are the things I defend! lawl!

I only care about three things...

Not hurting kids. (And I mean not hurting them. You know, beating them and killing them. Same goes with animals..)
My girlfriend.
And property/money.


Other then that, nothing really phases me. Never has. Occassionaly my political opponents think they can piss me off with dead baby photos and laugh about the legalty of abortion.

But no. If I was all weak and blubbery, that doesn't help anyone and only makes those sons a bitches feel good. I hate other people's happiness. Especially my enemies..

I like making kids happy though, and dogs, and especially my girlfriend. Granted there's moments where I just don't want to be bothered and have smacked around some kids/animals before cause I want to be left the hell alone lol!

It's too complicated to get into in a single post about the balance between wanting to take away other people's happiness but making exceptions. That's why I need to work on my book The Religion of Evil..


As someone who actively worships The Devil(s), even though I mostly glorify Satan (wrath) and pay homage mostly to Asmodeous (lust), I'm actually more attuned with Lucifer. (Pride) And I have a talent of fitting music with the mood. It's a shame copyright laws and poo would prevent me from adding a music cd with the book. Because I told my girlfriend that if you truly wanted to feel my religion, you would need something with a grunge base but no lyrics, the sound of humans clutters and ruins it. I hate the noise of human chatter.. and it has to be antagonistic, like something that would hurt the ears if played unexpectedly and loudly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auJO-UVmams

Something like that.



How often do you wank, devil worshipping Asmodeousean?
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Tantra?

Don't need too. Got what I want.

I suppose I can show you guys my girlfriend, you probably don't know her.
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Jim Profit wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 8:56pm:
Tantra?

Don't need too. Got what I want.

Hottest girl ever..



Got what you want? A picture?

She's probably got what she wanted - 20,000 km between you and her.

Get a grip in the trouser department, pal, and away you go.



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Jim Profit wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 5:30pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 1:30pm:
He's not a cop. He's a security guard.

Yes, most people get confused about that lol!

The proper etiquite we call ourselves is security officer.

And ussually I just say officer for short. Seeing as I am of authority, just a different sort. Frankly I wouldn't want to be a cop.

Solving murders and busting drug dealers. Those are the things I defend! lawl!




And
Jim Profit wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 8:48pm:
I don't work now. But I use too.



And
Jim Profit wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 8:52pm:
I'm ussualy tired and have headaches, but otherwise I'm fine.



You are an unemployed security guard with poor diet and a 'girfriend' 20,000 km away.
I think you have headaches because you wank too much. Give it a rest, pal.


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You just say officer for short?? How very.

Tosser.

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Reply #27 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 10:44pm
 
your girlfriend is very pretty- this however, doesn't make you a better person or your views any more valid

if the only thing you have of worth in your life is the physical attractiveness of someone attached to you then that's a severe worry
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btw how does your gf feel about you posting her picture on random forums?
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Jim Profit wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 5:30pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 1:30pm:
He's not a cop. He's a security guard.

Yes, most people get confused about that lol!

The proper etiquite we call ourselves is security officer.

And ussually I just say officer for short. Seeing as I am of authority, just a different sort. Frankly I wouldn't want to be a cop.

Solving murders and busting drug dealers. Those are the things I defend! lawl!

Security officer... yer righto.

Hey officer... step back from the keyboard and take yer hand off yer knob.
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As someone who discounted Jim as a troll from the time of his arrival, you seem to be eager to rise to the bait.

Right from the get go I got the impression that his aim was to have a bit of fun with us, hence I take what he writes with that in mind.
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mozzaok wrote on Dec 19th, 2008 at 8:42am:
As someone who discounted Jim as a troll from the time of his arrival, you seem to be eager to rise to the bait.

Right from the get go I got the impression that his aim was to have a bit of fun with us, hence I take what he writes with that in mind.

Having a bit of fun cuts both ways.

But I'm more bemused by Australian Americophillia than the agonies of an American teen.

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Reply #33 - Dec 19th, 2008 at 9:06am
 
Jim Profit wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 5:30pm:

It's too complicated to get into in a single post about the balance between wanting to take away other people's happiness but making exceptions. That's why I need to work on my book The Religion of Evil..


As someone who actively worships The Devil(s), even though I mostly glorify Satan (wrath) and pay homage mostly to Asmodeous (lust), I'm actually more attuned with Lucifer. (Pride) And I have a talent of fitting music with the mood. It's a shame copyright laws and poo would prevent me from adding a music cd with the book. Because I told my girlfriend that if you truly wanted to feel my religion, you would need something with a grunge base but no lyrics, the sound of humans clutters and ruins it. I hate the noise of human chatter.. and it has to be antagonistic, like something that would hurt the ears if played unexpectedly and loudly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auJO-UVmams

Something like that.


Whew that cuts to the chase. Here I was profiling you as a sociopath who thinks being a sociopath is cool. (it's not BTW) But it's worse. Shocked A sociopath with religion.

Jim, I hope it pleases you to know that I'm glad you're not a cop either.



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Jim, meet Phil. You two will get on well together. If you ever decide to change your sexualities, you two should definitely meet  Grin Grin Grin

In fact you'd both be doing society a great favour. Ending the bloodlines would be the best outcome, and the fact that you would probably kill each other has to be a close second. Grin

We all survive teenage angst ROTFLMAO  Grin
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Reply #35 - Dec 19th, 2008 at 9:38am
 
Gaybriel wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 10:50pm:
btw how does your gf feel about you posting her picture on random forums?

She thinks it's great actually. I've asked her about that and she loves the way I gloat about her.

Women like feeling special, and what says special more then jumping around like Gollum treating her like the precious? lol!
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Reply #36 - Dec 19th, 2008 at 11:14am
 
Jim Profit wrote on Dec 19th, 2008 at 9:38am:
Gaybriel wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 10:50pm:
btw how does your gf feel about you posting her picture on random forums?

She thinks it's great actually. I've asked her about that and she loves the way I gloat about her.

Women like feeling special, and what says special more then jumping around like Gollum treating her like the precious? lol!


in that case I have no problem with it!
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