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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47362 At my desk.	Re: New South Wales Reply #15 - Nov 18^th, 2008 at 3:25pm It's not the cost of the call that matters, it's having someone local in charge of minor local issues.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4230	Re: New South Wales Reply #16 - Nov 18^th, 2008 at 3:30pm freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2008 at 9:25pm: It's not the cost of the call that matters, it's having someone local in charge of minor local issues. Our local state reps are as local as our federal reps.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47362 At my desk.	Re: New South Wales Reply #17 - Nov 18^th, 2008 at 3:33pm No they aren't. There are fewer fed reps for starters and they can't be local to everyone.
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Reply #18 - Nov 18^th, 2008 at 3:46pm

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2008 at 9:33pm:

No they aren't. There are fewer fed reps for starters and they can't be local to everyone.

Abandoning states will release resources so number of reps can be increased but it will reduce number of governments so additional resources can be allocated to to something useful instead of self-serving cheating politicians.

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Reply #19 - Nov 18^th, 2008 at 4:02pm

You are suggesting the same number of politicians. As far as I know federal ones cost more, so it would hardly save money. Furthermore state vs federal representation is a form of specialisation. Simply having a massive number of fed reps instead destroys that automatic specialisation and there is no reason to think it will result in better service. I want my fed rep to think about the interest of the nation as a whole, not about my potholes.

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Reply #20 - Nov 18^th, 2008 at 4:18pm

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2008 at 10:02pm:

You are suggesting the same number of politicians. As far as I know federal ones cost more, so it would hardly save money. Furthermore state vs federal representation is a form of specialisation. Simply having a massive number of fed reps instead destroys that automatic specialisation and there is no reason to think it will result in better service. I want my fed rep to think about the interest of the nation as a whole, not about my potholes.

No, I am not suggesting the same number of politicians as sum of current fed and states polies. Thought the number of s reps are different from the number f reps some of them if not the most do overlap geographically.

Let the feds do the nation and local and I mean LOCAL councils do the potholes.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47362 At my desk.	Re: New South Wales Reply #21 - Nov 18^th, 2008 at 4:22pm There is plenty of management that is better suited to a scale between local and federal.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4230	Re: New South Wales Reply #22 - Nov 18^th, 2008 at 4:33pm freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2008 at 10:22pm: There is plenty of management that is better suited to a scale between local and federal. I don't see why bureaucracy can't be organise to fill the scale.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47362 At my desk.	Re: New South Wales Reply #23 - Nov 18^th, 2008 at 4:37pm You want to replace democracy with bureacracy?
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: New South Wales Reply #24 - Nov 18^th, 2008 at 6:52pm Not that this is the actual topic, but it seems to me I'm the only one to come up with a suggestion which maintains democracy, maintains 3 levels of government and reduces the number of politicians.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47362 At my desk.	Re: New South Wales Reply #25 - Nov 18^th, 2008 at 8:01pm Can you explain it again, without the partisan jibes?
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Reply #26 - Nov 18^th, 2008 at 8:02pm

freediver wrote on Dec 19^th, 2008 at 10:37pm:

You want to replace democracy with bureacracy?

This above is a fine example of pintrahism but don't we have bureaucracy and democracy at present and didn't we had them in the not so long ago past?
So the answer is no I don't. In addition I want to say that I don't believe that bureaucracy and democracy are incompatible.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4230	Re: New South Wales Reply #27 - Nov 18^th, 2008 at 8:03pm freediver wrote on Nov 18^th, 2008 at 8:01pm: Can you explain it again, without the partisan jibes? Yea, I want to read it too.
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: New South Wales Reply #28 - Nov 19^th, 2008 at 8:16am tallowood wrote on Nov 18^th, 2008 at 8:03pm: freediver wrote on Nov 18^th, 2008 at 8:01pm: Can you explain it again, without the partisan jibes? Yea, I want to read it too. Me too. I definitely want to read something constructive from Grendel for a change. Count me in.
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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: New South Wales Reply #29 - Nov 19^th, 2008 at 8:47am Quote: Can you explain it again, without the partisan jibes? Yea, I want to read it too. Me too. I definitely want to read something constructive from Grendel for a change. Count me in. Those comments are so familiar - where have I heard them before? Do you remember Grendel?
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