Brian Ross wrote on Dec 7^th, 2013 at 8:06pm:

There are lots of ignorant people in the world bwian...  just go check your closest mirror.

Moses, the church I used to attend believed in the concept of "inspiration", that is, inspired by God but written by human hands.  It is quite common, and although it would mean it was not literally written by God, it was and is still the exact message that God wanted to give to his people, so it amounts to the same thing.

It comes from this passage:

2 Timothy 3:16–3:17:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Also, if the Bible was NOT God's inspired word, then how do believers know it is accurate in what it says, or if they do not, which parts to believe and which parts to ignore?  This is a question I struggled with myself for a long time when I was a Christian.

I would agree with you one that point Moses, and that was the conclusion i formed.  What I'm curious about is how you then decide what you believe and what do you discard, and on who's authority?

There are a lot of things regarding forgiveness in the Bible that are very inspirational, but for instance I don't want to believe that women shouldn't speak in church

moses wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 5:02pm:


Yeah that was more or less my take home message from my time as a believer too.  But then I never could reconcile that with sections such as in James where it says that if you are guilty of one crime, then you are guilty of all.  The majority of people in the churches I went to (Baptist and Pressie) were of the belief that all scripture is gospel truth. 

Is there any particular reason you don't think Muslims can do the same? Pick and choose to a certain extent I mean.

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It always gets back to the same thing, God is not the author. Over 40 men who were inspired by their belief composed the Bible.

You would be aware of **Question the Spirit** teachings of Christianity

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I believe that there were / stll are, some very overzealous people who promote the message in a most authoritarian, improper, manner all together.

So my take is that Christians should examine the proposal / belief, then ask them selves where is this coming from?

Is it from overzealousness etc, where does it stand in our enlightened way of thinking today.

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The child sex, the inbreeding, the slaughter of innocent men, women and children, the oppression of and discrimination against non muslims, is all justified by islam / allah / muhammad/ qur'an. It is the literal word of allah, he is the author. Today in 2013 these human rights atrocities are still being carried out on a monumental scale around the globe.

Untill muslims and their apologists tell the truth, and point the finger of blame, exactly where it belongs (the islamic conglomeration of evil) there will be no progress.

Trying to equate islam with Christianity. (is not going to work)

Blaming everyone else, because the muslims themselves are to blame. (is not going to work)

The root cause is right there in front of every muslim, stand up and be counted.

However they can't do this as this destroys the *perfect qur'an, impeccable muhammad, allah is the righteous almighty * propaganda.

islam would implode, the blood of men, women and children, would flow thick and fast. so they just keep on lying.

muslims who claim moderation, but refuse to castigate the evilness in islam which causes these human rights atrocities, are showing moral support for the perpetrators.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 10:22pm:

Oh but I am bwian...  but we don't have Christians blowing people up everyday or calling for unbelievers to be beheaded etc, etc, etc...
We don't have Christian leaders describing woman as meat, nor do most Christians defend or ignore bad behaviour by fellow Christians.
I didn't just refer to Muslims as ignorant did I bwian...  you are such a disingenuous prig.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2013 at 6:54am:


True gizmo.

But;
'My God is bigger, than his god.'                              

I've heard it said that only God is capable of true creation...  I remember once when the Koran was discussed in relation to the Bible...  and how it was postulated that the Koran is a creation of Satan, who is incapable of true original creation and as the "Prince of Liars" based it on earlier teachings twisted into a confusing tome of lies and half-truths.
It was also noted that there could be no better way, to sow the seeds of disharmony and set up an end times confrontation.