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Israel and Islamic concepts on spoils of war
Oct 21st, 2008 at 1:19pm
 
How does the establishment of Israel differ from Islamic law regarding spoils of war? Under Islam, the victors may take all possessions from the losers, including the land. They may force the losers off the land. They may even take them as slaves. The establishment of Israel appears to mirror the practice of forcing the losers off the land.
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Reply #1 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 1:27pm
 
And the US rebuilt your whole society with ALL brand new gear !!

I wanna "lose" to them !!!
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Reply #2 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 1:30pm
 

Yep, because it's in their Torah, as is the captives part.
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Reply #3 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 2:08pm
 
No, I meant, is it equivalent to the Islamic laws? Was the manner in which the land was settled and the palestinians turfed out in keeping with what Muslims are allowed to do when they win a war?

I didn't mean does Islam allow it for enemies, as the concept of allowing your enemy to do something when they defeat you in war is a bit silly. Though that is also very interesting, if Islam does have a rule for that situation.
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Reply #4 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 3:08pm
 

Well you'd be best off asking them.

What you're suggesting though seems to be 'good for the goose good for the gander'. If that's the case, then they shouldn't mind us resisting and attempting to regain it also.
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Reply #5 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 3:17pm
 
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Well you'd be best off asking them.


Asking who? My primary interest is the Islamic law. That's why I'm asking you. Even my interest in the Jewish law part (the bit you brought up) is more about whether Islam would recognise and sanction the laws of Judaism in these situations, not what the actual laws of Judaism are.

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What you're suggesting though seems to be 'good for the goose good for the gander'.


At the moment I'm just trying to establish whether it is good for the goose. Is it? How about instead of trying to jump to someone else's conclusion all the time you let them reach their own conclusion, based on an open dialogue. You spend an inordinate of time responding to the conlusions someone might draw if you gave a certain answer, while not actually indicating whether that is your answer.
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Reply #6 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 3:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2008 at 3:17pm:
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At the moment I'm just trying to establish whether it is good for the goose. Is it? How about instead of trying to jump to someone else's conclusion all the time you let them reach their own conclusion, based on an open dialogue. You spend an inordinate of time responding to the conlusions someone might draw if you gave a certain answer, while not actually indicating whether that is your answer.

Well put.
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Reply #7 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 9:40pm
 

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Even my interest in the Jewish law part (the bit you brought up) is more about whether Islam would recognise and sanction the laws of Judaism in these situations, not what the actual laws of Judaism are.


Since the US has a policy of unilateralism when dealing with nations it doesn't consider legitimate, can we understand from this that the US also doesn't mind that other nations who don't consider the US legitimate are justified in taking unilateral action against her? What kind of a ridiculous line of questioning is this??

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At the moment I'm just trying to establish whether it is good for the goose. Is it?


If it's good for one, it'd be good for both, and therefore neither has any legitimate 'right' over the other, except for their ability to assert their dominance, might and hard earned aid dollars over the other... that about sums up the conflict thus far anyway.

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How about instead of trying to jump to someone else's conclusion all the time you let them reach their own conclusion, based on an open dialogue


How about you stop asking loaded questions?
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Reply #8 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 8:08am
 
typical nonanswering of questions from a muslim.

how many questions have you asked back ?
How many questions did fd ask?
How many did you answer?
Why do we bother?
Do you think you should be docked posts for not answering questions ?
Did you get the storm last night ?
What sort of image of muslims do you think you are giving to infidels?
What do you think we feel about being called infidels?
Do you have any pets?
Why are you so repressive?
does that stem from your belief?
why don't muslims laugh much?
Do you like being in bondage ?
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Reply #9 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 10:49am
 
If it's good for one, it'd be good for both, and therefore neither has any legitimate 'right' over the other, except for their ability to assert their dominance, might and hard earned aid dollars over the other... that about sums up the conflict thus far anyway.

Maybe, but is it 'good for the goose'?

How about you stop asking loaded questions?

I'm just trying to understand Islamic law. I'm a bit hazy on the conditions for taking all the land, the posessions etc. I would like to know more. There is no need to inform me about US government policy, as I am aware of what is going on. What I don't know is what Islamic law is on these issues. It is obviously not identical to other sets of policies.
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Reply #10 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 1:25pm
 
Abu seems to have avoided the original question and defelcted to the 'evil west' again. Funny that.
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Reply #11 - Feb 9th, 2009 at 1:55am
 

Didn't deflect to the evil west at all. You asked how the actions of the Jews differs from Islamic rules of war, and I said they don't because the exact same laws exist in their books.

You just didn't like the fact that your pathetic questions were neutralised.
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Reply #12 - Feb 9th, 2009 at 9:01am
 
So Islam does support the taking of everything from the losers - land, buildings, livestock etc included?
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Reply #13 - Feb 9th, 2009 at 9:57am
 

No.

My mouth, but your words, sorry.
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Reply #14 - Feb 9th, 2009 at 10:21am
 
So what are you saying? Islamic concepts are identical to those of Israel, or those of Judaism?

What are the Islamic rules on spoils of war?
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