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Governments can't stimulate an economy (Read 2326 times)
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Re: Governments can't stimulate an economy
Reply #15 - Oct 19th, 2008 at 2:30pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 18th, 2008 at 9:54pm:
Because people are far more careful about where they invest their money duiring a recession. The 'unproductive' investment tends to occur during the 'bubble'. The whole problem in a recession is that people are too hesitant to spend or invest.


Rates can fall near the end of a recesion, but only because REAL interest rates would be lower. We're talking about fixing them below the real rates. Let's not forget that it was loose monetary policy that caused the downturn in the first place by encouraging business ventures that relied on an unsustainably low interest rate.

freediver wrote on Oct 18th, 2008 at 9:54pm:
Because there is only so much to go around, because people want to enjoy life now as well as investing for the future, and because there is a risk of overinvestment, and because of politics. I think the government should have held onto the handouts and spent them on infrastructure in a year or two when the labour shortage isn't as acute. This is why there was such a strong push for reserve bank independence - because governments can't always be trusted to do the right thing.


And you can trust the Reserve Bank? Don't you think it's slightly alarming that the total amount of money in existence has doubled over the last decade, thanks to the Reserve Bank?

The fact that you don't agree with what the government is spending taxpayers' money on demonstrates my point - that they can't allocate money or resources better than the private sector - they didn't spend your dollars where you would have valued them the most. MORE wealth would have been created had it been left in private hands. This is a proven statistical fact. The lower government expenditure is as a proportion of the economy, the faster the economy grows.
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Reply #16 - Oct 19th, 2008 at 2:33pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Oct 19th, 2008 at 6:19am:
Nothing is worse for any economy, than a "free" market.

What is needed is a regulated market.

The free market advocates are the gunslingers in the wild west world of economics.


The biggest cowboys are those in government and the RBA.
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Reply #17 - Oct 19th, 2008 at 2:51pm
 
Revenant wrote on Oct 19th, 2008 at 10:16am:
Well look at what happend in the US. They loan sharks pretty much lent money to anyone who wanted it and now look at the mess they're in.


I hope you're referring to the Fed, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and all the other government entities involved. Where do you think the private lenders got all their money to lend from?
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Reply #18 - Oct 19th, 2008 at 3:55pm
 
Let's not forget that it was loose monetary policy that caused the downturn in the first place by encouraging business ventures that relied on an unsustainably low interest rate.

No it wasn't loose monetary policy that caused it. It was the monetary policy that prevented it from being far worse than it otherwise would have been. The interest rates were 'artificially' high for a long time before the bubble burst. You can thank the reserve bank for this, and for preventing a lot of unsustainable investment that would have made the recession far worse.

And you can trust the Reserve Bank?

More so than the government.

Don't you think it's slightly alarming that the total amount of money in existence has doubled over the last decade, thanks to the Reserve Bank?

Not really.

The fact that you don't agree with what the government is spending taxpayers' money on demonstrates my point - that they can't allocate money or resources better than the private sector

No it doesn't prove that. There are all sorts of situations where the government is or is not a better controller of spending. The fact that they get one thing wrong in my opinion does not justify such a blanket statement.

they didn't spend your dollars where you would have valued them the most

That is not the reason. In fact, the opposite is true.

MORE wealth would have been created had it been left in private hands. This is a proven statistical fact.

Crap.

The lower government expenditure is as a proportion of the economy, the faster the economy grows.

Generalisations are always wrong.
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Re: Governments can't stimulate an economy
Reply #19 - Oct 19th, 2008 at 4:04pm
 
John wrote on Oct 19th, 2008 at 2:51pm:
Revenant wrote on Oct 19th, 2008 at 10:16am:
Well look at what happend in the US. They loan sharks pretty much lent money to anyone who wanted it and now look at the mess they're in.


I hope you're referring to the Fed, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and all the other government entities involved. Where do you think the private lenders got all their money to lend from?


Well obviously the buck stops with the government for allowing it to happen.
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