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I don't think any Muslim in this forum has ever claimed they're unhappy living in the West. I'm quite happy living in Australia, and consider it perhaps the best country to live in, no complaints here.

Perhaps you're mixing it up with disagreement over foreign policy? There's lots of non-Muslims who don't agree with Australian foreign policy also, should everyone who disagrees with it leave? Isn't Australia supposed to be a democracy where freedom of speech and dissent are permitted?

Grendel wrote on Oct 17^th, 2008 at 11:10pm:


Given your opposition to multi-culturalism, and since Australia is very much a multi-cultural country, with a multi-cultural immigration system that you are clearly and very much opposed too...

You are clearly upset living in a multi-cultural country.

So why do you stay here...why don't you leave? Why don't you go to a country that has a 'whites only' policy, and is made up of only white anglo saxons.

Grendel wrote on Oct 17^th, 2008 at 11:10pm:


I've lived here all my life, and long enough to realise that different Australians behave in different ways, and have different cultures. Not all Aussies are bogans...you do realise this don't you. We're not all like you. 

Hence my question, and your failure to answer tells me that you can't answer. Unless of course you believe that 'YOUR' culture is the only Australian culture that is valid.

So I'll ask again..what exactly would you need me to do to show  you that I am true dinky di Aussie.

Maybe a chant of Aussie aussie aussie...oi, oi, oi might convince you.

Grendel wrote on Oct 17^th, 2008 at 11:10pm:


Like you can talk....so tell me Grendel..were you born a hypocrite or was it something that you've perfected over time?

Gaybriel,

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Like he has done with me, Grendel just assumes that because you're not a racist Aussie, therefore you're probably not an Aussie and must be a recent immigrant. In his mindset, either you're a one nation supporting redneck like him, or you're not a real Aussie. Also perhaps because you come across as slightly pro-Islamic (actually I'd just consider you fairly objective on the Islamic issue), that means you must come from Lebanon or Turkey or something.

Lestat,

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Maybe if you ate some wiggedy grubs? Or learnt to play the diggeridoo? Certainly Grendel can't be deluded enough to think that the 200 year old imported British culture is 'The Definitive Australian' culture?

Grendel,

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I addressed it. Just because you're incapable of countering my reply doesn't mean I didn't address it. Let me reiterate it for you:

1) I've not come to any country, I and about 5 or 6 generations of my family before me have been living here, probably longer than 'your lot'.

2) I've never claimed I don't like living in Australia, simply disagree with the foreign policy, as do many others. Do you think Australia should have laws that deport anyone who disagrees with the foreign policy?

Now I am an Aussie, probably for more generations than you, and likewise I think Gaybriel is as well. and Lestat was born, raised and educated here also. So it would seem you're just debating fellow Aussies here, yet you seem to be implying we're all some foreign 'other' that should be deported??? strewth mate show some respect for your fellow Aussies.

Just because Australains disagree over political/religious issues, doesn't mean we call for others to be deported, this is something you have to learn about OUR culture, which you obviously haven't, no doubt because you probably live in some little redneck enclave that refuses to mingle with Australians of other backgrounds.

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Quite rich, considering that's your second post in a row that doesn't address any of the points I made in my last 3 posts...

yawn

I think the original on topic post   

takes precedence over any obfuscation and off topic rant from you Aboo.

I'm a very patient man.
How does attacking me and avoiding the original post address the topic?

let me address your opening pedantry  re HATE.

I note the topic opened with "hate"  you do know what quotes signify in that context don't you.  i mean you've been here for generations so English should be no trouble for you at all unless you've been closeted in an enclave where English isn't the first language.

Now I'm giving the 3 of you a chance to explain yourselves and your fellow Muslims.  Isn't that what you want?  To be understood?

Or is it that we actually do understand only too well?

rotflmao

You hang on moot points don't you aboo...

So when are you going to address the issues and stop obfuscating.

As for your crap re my assumptions...  the topic was started to start debate...  not have you find spurious reasons to avoid it.

So are you up to it or not?

rotflmao
I haven't claimed victory anywhere aboo...  you feeling defeated?

How about you address the original post...  oh and as patient as I am I do have my limits.

One more time for the aboos of the world...

I hear nothing but; victimhood, excuses and redirection of blame from the muslims here.

If Muslims are so unhappy living in the West that they have to create enclaves etc, etc, etc...   why do they stay?

These intelligent people that have all the answers and superior manners and morals why do they stay in a country full of infidels?

Why soil themselves living amongst the kaffir?

I've seen it written... that a Muslim is like a pure clear crystal stream compared to the sewage that is the Kaffir...

Surely it would be better for them and their country of origin or fellow countrymen if they returned to their origins and created the of zenith of civilisation they seem to think only they are capable of creating.

Why don't they go "home' and create that Caliphate they talk about and await the return of the mahdi....  etc, etc, etc

If they give the rest of us any problems in the mean time we can do what the Chinese did...  build a big wall and make it difficult for them to enter countries outside the caliphate.  Expansionism and terrorism solved.

take it a point and question at a time if that helps.