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If someone commits a crime, then it's required of a Muslim to bear true witness against that crime. However, I don't think that's going to change your line of argument FD, as you'll no doubt reply with some other ridiculous workaround or your argument.

Listen as I've told you enough times, there's no clergy in Islam to even perpetrate the kinds of crimes that exist in Christianity. Also Muslims don't believe in these unnatural vows of celibacy which are probably one of the major cause behind these heinous crimes. Your pathetic attempt to transpose the evils of Christians onto Muslims really doesn't warrant a response.

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Glad you asked this time, instead of exhausting yourself seeking out any remote chance of finding something negative in it.

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Actually it's a bit of a mistranslation, it says 'and that is weaker faith', not *the* weakest, the addition of a definite article and the use of the superlative is wrong. But if you read Muso's explanation he got it spot on, don't see why the meaning was so elusive for you?

As I said, you should look in the mirror, Western democracies have had their most extreme war-mongering elements in power for a long time, who are constantly engaged in terrorist acts against civilians of other countries, most notably Muslims, and you do nothing to remove them whatsoever, you just leave them doing their thing. And every 4 or so years, you exchange him for another one, who continues to do the exact same stuff.

Likewise they've been supporting, funding, arming dictatorships and terrorist governments that are constantly engaged in hostilities against civilian populations.

Anything any Muslim group does in response and retaliation to this can't even compare to the scale of the atrocities inflicted upon them.

Really FD, a lot of people are starting to wake up to this fact, you should too, and so must the entire Western world, if there's to be any real progress towards reconciliation on these issues.

I'm pretty much repeating what I said in the other thread. So you can't comment on whether there is a contradiction or why the Muslim community is so slow to condemn it's extremists because you are too busy worrying about what the west is up to?

The only reason you would require Muslims to unilaterally come out and condemn this act or that act, is because you believe by default all Muslims are guilty of any action carried out by an Islamic group, and therefore they must make a strong point of rejecting and condemning it,in order to collectively clear their names.

It's just ridiculous, and I flatly refuse to do it, even if just for the simple fact that your insinuation that Muslims are presumed to be guilty for these things unless they publically denounce them, is disgusting.

Not only is it an assumption of guilt, it's a collective assumption of guilt. You really should feel ashamed of yourself for such despicable insinuations.

what a crock aboo...
wrong is wrong, all humanity should be able to recognise it and condemn it for what it is...  even if you share a religion or nationality with those in the wrong.

If more so called moderate muslims openly condemned the wrong-doings of others of their faith then others outside their faith would have greater respect and trust of them.

Your behaviour and attitude just fosters mistrust.

Oh and perhaps those gullible and wrong-headed enough to do these acts might start to think before they do them...  wouldn't that be nice.

Your mistrust stems from your despicable belief in collective guilt.

Even if I felt inclined to condemn it, I would refrain from doing so, just so as not to validate your assumptions of collective guilt.

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You continually insist that it's a given Muslims in general must condemn this act or that act. The most ludicrous part of it is that you actually think they are such severe extremists and yet if someone half way round the world just condemns them, all of a sudden they'll say "Ah you're right, we shouldn't have been doing that, luckily you condemned us in some far off country where we didn't even have any contact with you whatsoever".

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That's right you're not. How would you feel if everytime the West did something, all Muslims in Australia demanded you condemn and explain it as if you WERE personally responsible for it? Wouldn't you wanna just say "Get a grip on yourself"??

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Do you go and make press releases to Australia's Muslim community making it quite clear you disassociate yourself from those acts and condemning them?

Are you aware everytime a terrorist act occurs somewhere in the world, Muslim media representatives (like Waleed Ali) condemn it on public radio/tv and blame it on al-Qai'dah before even the Western media do? It's for this reason that I also flatly refuse to be involved in these little condemnation/blaming games. Even though  they do this, it still doesn't seem to be enough for you anyway, does it? What do you actually want from Muslims? Please do tell...

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I really don't get this one, care to clarify?

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How 'potent' are your condemnations of the allies atrocities against civilians? What makes you think Muslims in Australia, or anywhere for that matter can just release a press statement, and all of a sudden all armed Islamic movements just throw down their weapons and start tip-toeing through the tulips with their occupiers and aggressors? Come on, your entire sentiment is a little naive, if not extremely daft.