Australian Politics Forum - Climate change has become a religion

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47352 At my desk.	Re: Climate change has become a religion Reply #15 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 10:50am There are plenty of good examples to look at Tallo, but in the long run we will have to do better than what has been done so far.
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Reply #16 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 10:57am

freediver wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 10:50am:

There are plenty of good examples to look at Tallo, but in the long run we will have to do better than what has been done so far.

There are plenty of good and plenty of bad and even more in between but to say that Australia has the highest entitle the question about who has the lowest. Besides if we want to be the shiner it is practical to know who is now and what we should be like.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47352 At my desk.	Re: Climate change has become a religion Reply #17 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 11:02am I think that finding the 'shiniest' example may be a it more subtle than finding the country with the lowest emissions. I'd look for a country that has signficantly reduced it's emissions while maintaining it's standard of living. After all, that is what we want to do.
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Reply #18 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 11:11am

freediver wrote on Oct 9^th, 2008 at 11:02am:

I think that finding the 'shiniest' example may be a it more subtle than finding the country with the lowest emissions. I'd look for a country that has signficantly reduced it's emissions while maintaining it's standard of living. After all, that is what we want to do.

Didn't we reduce our emissions per capita already?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47352 At my desk.	Re: Climate change has become a religion Reply #19 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 11:24am Possibly, depending on whether you include land clearing.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Climate change has become a religion Reply #20 - Oct 10^th, 2008 at 3:58am That per capita argument is a total crock... why use it?
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locutius Gold Member Offline You can't fight in here! It's the War Room Posts: 1817 Queensland Gender:	Re: Climate change has become a religion Reply #21 - Oct 10^th, 2008 at 8:51am Why is it a crock? And what measurement would you suggest?
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4230	Re: Climate change has become a religion Reply #22 - Oct 10^th, 2008 at 9:58am locutius wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 8:51am: Why is it a crock? And what measurement would you suggest? Per square meter or simple total would put us right up front.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47352 At my desk.	Re: Climate change has become a religion Reply #23 - Oct 10^th, 2008 at 10:30am So one person living on a semi arid property should get to emit as much as an entire city? Is that supposed to make sense?
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Reply #24 - Oct 10^th, 2008 at 11:03am

There are plenty of good examples. I'd regard France and Iceland as shining examples; France for its predominately nuclear power generation and Iceland for its geothermal.

You can have a developed society and a high level of clean energy generation.

Of course, if you go to Mauritania or Sudan, then they have the lowest energy consumption of all, but we don't exactly want to get into that state.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4230	Re: Climate change has become a religion Reply #25 - Oct 10^th, 2008 at 11:28am freediver wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 10:30am: So one person living on a semi arid property should get to emit as much as an entire city? Is that supposed to make sense? So people who live in a city should get to emit as much as they like? Doesn't make sense to me. Does it to you?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47352 At my desk.	Re: Climate change has become a religion Reply #26 - Oct 10^th, 2008 at 11:35am No, that doesn't make sense either Tallow, but if you keep trying you'll come up with a sensible approach.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4230	Re: Climate change has become a religion Reply #27 - Oct 10^th, 2008 at 11:41am freediver wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 11:35am: No, that doesn't make sense either Tallow, but if you keep trying you'll come up with a sensible approach. Limiting pollution by acreage allowances would be very effective.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47352 At my desk.	Re: Climate change has become a religion Reply #28 - Oct 10^th, 2008 at 12:15pm I just realised you didn't actually answer this question the first time. I just assumed you understood the point. So one person living on a semi arid property should get to emit as much as an entire city? Is that supposed to make sense?
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Reply #29 - Oct 10^th, 2008 at 12:25pm

freediver wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 12:15pm:

I just realised you didn't actually answer this question the first time. I just assumed you understood the point.

So one person living on a semi arid property should get to emit as much as an entire city? Is that supposed to make sense?

Of course not. Your proposition implies that everybody else should make as much pollution as somebody else whereas my suggestion of limiting pollution by acreage allowances implies decreasing pollution and also addressing the main problem of the overpopulation of the planet.

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