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Reply #195 - Jun 20^th, 2017 at 9:29pm

Well considering the British & Aboriginal input is based entirely on THE PAST.
I can't see them really having any impact on the Future - which is demanded by 'the whole Fkkn World' and not two factions.

Mt Druitt (70's/80's). In a place full of 'many different' people. It was the gangs that were 'multi-racial' that succeeded. Multi-Culturalism is a total FAIL there - because there is only ONE CULTURE and that is MT DRUITT culture.
Didn't matter where your 'came from', it was 'where you were going to' that made the difference. The 'one-race' gangs never succeeded, you just were not 'mixed or mongrel' enough to survive.
So for all the SBS Forums and ABC Specials pumping out Multi-Culturalism ...it will never succeed in the face of everyone searching for that unique 'culture' that represents 'everyone' at the one time.
That culture is yet to be made 'official' and anything pumping itself out as 'Aussie As' is just another 'past' event of 'Colonialism' (Yankees/Media/etc) along with Aboriginal and British.

The

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maketh Australia, just like it did with America and is also 'remaking' Europe, Africa, Asia, etc, etc.

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Reply #196 - Jun 20^th, 2017 at 11:10pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 9:14pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

I see Australian culture in primarily three features:

1) our British history;

2) our egalitarian strain;

3) our indigenous culture;
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Ultimately, it derives from Britain. Our institutions are primarily British, although culturally we have adopted American pop-culture to a certain extent.

I suggest you read the topic from the very beginning, you may be very pleasantly surprised.

About what specifically?

Really?

You cant be bothered to click on 1 and see for yourself?

If you are that lazy why bother to post here at all?

You'll never learn about people and subjects if you refuse to read stuff. All you will do is stagnate and never evolve.
I can't believe you don't even want to be pleasantly surprised. Huh

I am more highly evolved than you, G, I can guarantee you that.

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Brian Ross

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Reply #197 - Jun 20^th, 2017 at 11:55pm

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 11:10pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 9:14pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

I see Australian culture in primarily three features:

1) our British history;

2) our egalitarian strain;

3) our indigenous culture;
--
Ultimately, it derives from Britain. Our institutions are primarily British, although culturally we have adopted American pop-culture to a certain extent.

I suggest you read the topic from the very beginning, you may be very pleasantly surprised.

About what specifically?

Really?

You cant be bothered to click on 1 and see for yourself?

If you are that lazy why bother to post here at all?

You'll never learn about people and subjects if you refuse to read stuff. All you will do is stagnate and never evolve.
I can't believe you don't even want to be pleasantly surprised. Huh

I am more highly evolved than you, G, I can guarantee you that.

That wouldn't be difficult, Augie. Not hard at all. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #198 - Jun 21^st, 2017 at 10:09am

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 11:10pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 9:14pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

I see Australian culture in primarily three features:

1) our British history;

2) our egalitarian strain;

3) our indigenous culture;
--
Ultimately, it derives from Britain. Our institutions are primarily British, although culturally we have adopted American pop-culture to a certain extent.

I suggest you read the topic from the very beginning, you may be very pleasantly surprised.

About what specifically?

Really?

You cant be bothered to click on 1 and see for yourself?

If you are that lazy why bother to post here at all?

You'll never learn about people and subjects if you refuse to read stuff. All you will do is stagnate and never evolve.
I can't believe you don't even want to be pleasantly surprised. Huh

I am more highly evolved than you, G, I can guarantee you that.

Well that's a bit insulting.
If you think so I suggest you do what I asked and read the topic from the beginning... and you may be pleasantly surprised... and have to reassess your thoughts on evolution.
Come on I don't post here just to waste my time on people you know.

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Reply #199 - Jun 21^st, 2017 at 10:10am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 11:55pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 11:10pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 9:14pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Auggie wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

I see Australian culture in primarily three features:

1) our British history;

2) our egalitarian strain;

3) our indigenous culture;
--
Ultimately, it derives from Britain. Our institutions are primarily British, although culturally we have adopted American pop-culture to a certain extent.

I suggest you read the topic from the very beginning, you may be very pleasantly surprised.

About what specifically?

Really?

You cant be bothered to click on 1 and see for yourself?

If you are that lazy why bother to post here at all?

You'll never learn about people and subjects if you refuse to read stuff. All you will do is stagnate and never evolve.
I can't believe you don't even want to be pleasantly surprised. Huh

I am more highly evolved than you, G, I can guarantee you that.

That wouldn't be difficult, Augie. Not hard at all. Roll Eyes

more ad home lies and trolling eh bwian... how unusual for you Cheesy

You have no credibility Cheesy

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Reply #200 - Jun 21^st, 2017 at 10:26am

Jasin wrote on Jun 20^th, 2017 at 9:29pm:

Well considering the British & Aboriginal input is based entirely on THE PAST.

Untrue... Aboriginal and Brits still exist and since they do their cultures are still evolving.

I can't see them really having any impact on the Future - which is demanded by 'the whole Fkkn World' and not two factions.

Please explain?

Mt Druitt (70's/80's). In a place full of 'many different' people. It was the gangs that were 'multi-racial' that succeeded. Multi-Culturalism is a total FAIL there - because there is only ONE CULTURE and that is MT DRUITT culture.

MT Druitt is not a Nationality, it is more or less and enclave of the poor. Poorly educated and financially poor. Single parent families. Children having babies to multiple fathers. the list goes on and on. Multiculti is a fail everywhere.

Didn't matter where your 'came from', it was 'where you were going to' that made the difference. The 'one-race' gangs never succeeded, you just were not 'mixed or mongrel' enough to survive.

MT Druitt never had the gang problems of the ME and Vietnamese enclaves in Auburn/Lakemba and Cabramatta, which was the hot spot for Australian drugs in the recent past. There are no MT DRUITT GANG Crime Squads, never has been. The only real gang problems they ever had was Pacific Islander Gangs, which were small and fragmented.

So for all the SBS Forums and ABC Specials pumping out Multi-Culturalism ...it will never succeed in the face of everyone searching for that unique 'culture' that represents 'everyone' at the one time.

But SBS and the ABC seek to present a biased vision of multiculti, there is no truth there. But Australia does have a unique National Culture, but enclaves that we have under Multiculti do not represent that culture.

That culture is yet to be made 'official' and anything pumping itself out as 'Aussie As' is just another 'past' event of 'Colonialism' (Yankees/Media/etc) along with Aboriginal and British.

I did post links for you... I did suggest you read from the start of the topic. I don't understand the problem people who pretend an interest have in doing some actual research.

The

World

maketh Australia, just like it did with America and is also 'remaking' Europe, Africa, Asia, etc, etc.

Isolation maketh Australia more than globalisation the same with every other country that has a distinct National culture... Chinese are not Japanese, nor are they Russian. Canadians are not Americans nor are Americans Mexicans. We are not new Zealanders, nor are we New Guinean or Indonesian. BTW we are certainly not American, nor are we British anymore even though our Western Culture originally started out as British.

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Reply #201 - Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 10:44pm

There are only two 'official' cultural 'pasts' that are recognised here in Australia: Aboriginal & British.
Both are also recognised by the International community and many countries take pleasure in ruffling Australians by asking or pointing out (due to the Union Jack on the Flag) "Are you British?", etc.
Of course, there is the Colonialism 'past' that has tried to deliver itself as something more than being British.
It is especially liked to the Eureka Stockade and 'its' Flag.
I call this the 'American' or 'Yankee' input, especially when the Eureka moment was via North Americans as instigators and the 'Unionism' views.
So if Australia does eventually find its own 'unique' culture for the FUTURE, then of course - the British & Aboriginal versions will fall into the past and the 'Yankee Unionism' and all it's 'Aussie As' efforts will fall away to in something like a Civil War (Federation of Australia V Yankee Unions like the 'sequel' of the Union V Confederate Civil War).

So NO. There is no 'real' Australian 'culture' that represents or can take us into the Future. We are indeed a 'Multi-Cultural' Nation of everyone 'but Australian'.

There are those though, that are from the above mentioned groups who do try to leave the 'past' behind and strive towards an 'identity' that can be shared with others in the 'present moment', but that is still a little way in the future.
Alas, much blood must be paid to achieve that.

You wonder why 'Native' and 'African' Americans feel like 2nd class Citizens in the USA?
Well, when you disengage yourself from being 'American American' - you really do come off 2nd best like an 'enemy' or threat. It's all or nothing.

So you want to go from Multi to Australian?
There is always a price to be paid.

Off the subject. I sometimes dig at Yanks in regards to who would win a war between them and us.
They say "We are a far more powerful nation than you."
I say "But we have the whole world on our side - you are 'alone'." Wink

Enjoy.

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Reply #202 - Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 10:48pm

Jasin wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 10:44pm:

There are only two 'official' cultural 'pasts' that are recognised here in Australia: Aboriginal & British.
Both are also recognised by the International community and many countries take pleasure in ruffling Australians by asking or pointing out (due to the Union Jack on the Flag) "Are you British?", etc.
Of course, there is the Colonialism 'past' that has tried to deliver itself as something more than being British.
It is especially liked to the Eureka Stockade and 'its' Flag.
I call this the 'American' or 'Yankee' input, especially when the Eureka moment was via North Americans as instigators and the 'Unionism' views.
So if Australia does eventually find its own 'unique' culture for the FUTURE, then of course - the British & Aboriginal versions will fall into the past and the 'Yankee Unionism' and all it's 'Aussie As' efforts will fall away to in something like a Civil War (Federation of Australia V Yankee Unions like the 'sequel' of the Union V Confederate Civil War).

So NO. There is no 'real' Australian 'culture' that represents or can take us into the Future. We are indeed a 'Multi-Cultural' Nation of everyone 'but Australian'.

There are those though, that are from the above mentioned groups who do try to leave the 'past' behind and strive towards an 'identity' that can be shared with others in the 'present moment', but that is still a little way in the future.
Alas, much blood must be paid to achieve that.

You wonder why 'Native' and 'African' Americans feel like 2nd class Citizens in the USA?
Well, when you disengage yourself from being 'American American' - you really do come off 2nd best like an 'enemy' or threat. It's all or nothing.

So you want to go from Multi to Australian?
There is always a price to be paid.

Off the subject. I sometimes dig at Yanks in regards to who would win a war between them and us.
They say "We are a far more powerful nation than you."
I say "But we have the whole world on our side - you are 'alone'." Wink

Enjoy.

We are indeed a 'Multi-Cultural' Nation of everyone 'but Australian'.

what do you mean by that Jasin?

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Reply #203 - Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 10:54pm

Jasin wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 10:44pm:

There are only two 'official' cultural 'pasts' that are recognised here in Australia: Aboriginal & British.
Both are also recognised by the International community and many countries take pleasure in ruffling Australians by asking or pointing out (due to the Union Jack on the Flag) "Are you British?", etc.
Of course, there is the Colonialism 'past' that has tried to deliver itself as something more than being British.
It is especially liked to the Eureka Stockade and 'its' Flag.
I call this the 'American' or 'Yankee' input, especially when the Eureka moment was via North Americans as instigators and the 'Unionism' views.
So if Australia does eventually find its own 'unique' culture for the FUTURE, then of course - the British & Aboriginal versions will fall into the past and the 'Yankee Unionism' and all it's 'Aussie As' efforts will fall away to in something like a Civil War (Federation of Australia V Yankee Unions like the 'sequel' of the Union V Confederate Civil War).

So NO. There is no 'real' Australian 'culture' that represents or can take us into the Future. We are indeed a 'Multi-Cultural' Nation of everyone 'but Australian'.

There are those though, that are from the above mentioned groups who do try to leave the 'past' behind and strive towards an 'identity' that can be shared with others in the 'present moment', but that is still a little way in the future.
Alas, much blood must be paid to achieve that.

You wonder why 'Native' and 'African' Americans feel like 2nd class Citizens in the USA?
Well, when you disengage yourself from being 'American American' - you really do come off 2nd best like an 'enemy' or threat. It's all or nothing.

So you want to go from Multi to Australian?
There is always a price to be paid.

Off the subject. I sometimes dig at Yanks in regards to who would win a war between them and us.
They say "We are a far more powerful nation than you."
I say "But we have the whole world on our side - you are 'alone'." Wink

Enjoy.

I suggest if you think the highlighted part is correct you start reading the topic from page 1.

As for the past.... Aboriginal, British and Australian cultures are not things of the past.
The rest of your post is nonsense and I have already proved it... read the whole topic. Wink

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 46467 Gender:	Re: Australian culture - Multi not required Reply #204 - Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 10:56pm Nope. Don't need to.
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Australian culture - Multi not required Reply #205 - Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 11:00pm Jasin wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 10:56pm: Nope. Don't need to. You don't make sense. Is Australia a multicultural nation or not?
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Reply #206 - Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 11:08pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 11:00pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 10:56pm:

Nope.
Don't need to.

You don't make sense. Is Australia a multicultural nation or not?

Yes - it is.
Does it want to be?
Should it be?
Will it continue to be?

...why does everyone think there is only 'one' right answer as if the world only belongs to either 'Black or White' views?
There are more than one 'State' in this country and their view and future is different to the others.

Yes - we are 'Multi-Cultural'...
...by default under British, Aboriginal

...and MEDIA Wink

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Reply #207 - Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 11:13pm

Jasin wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 11:08pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 11:00pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 10:56pm:

Nope.
Don't need to.

You don't make sense. Is Australia a multicultural nation or not?

Yes - it is.
Does it want to be?
Should it be?
Will it continue to be?

...why does everyone think there is only 'one' right answer as if the world only belongs to either 'Black or White' views?
There are more than one 'State' in this country and their view and future is different to the others.

Yes - we are 'Multi-Cultural'...
...by default under British, Aboriginal

...and MEDIA Wink

(da da da dum Tongue

)

It's multicultural in small areas. Sydney is. Parts of Melbourne is as are small parts of the other cities. Australia is mostly culturally British and aboriginal in isolated aboriginal areas. I believe it will remain culturally British while the majority of Australians are of British ancestry.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Australian culture - Multi not required Reply #208 - Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 11:16pm Jasin wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 10:56pm: Nope. Don't need to. ah, yes you do. Unless you just want to insult people by not knowing what they think and remain ignorant of a great many facts.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 46467 Gender:	Re: Australian culture - Multi not required Reply #209 - Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 11:17pm Grendel wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 11:16pm: Jasin wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2017 at 10:56pm: Nope. Don't need to. ah, yes you do. Unless you just want to insult people by not knowing what they think and remain ignorant of a great many facts. What's in it for me?
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