On a Muslim site have seen an announcement from a new Islamic organisation called Hizbullah Australia. It seems they claim they are the Australian branch of Hizbullah. They say they will be active first in Sydney and Melbourne then other cities of Australia.

Who are these people? How come Hezbollah has been able to be registered in Australia? What is their cause?

http://www.sheikhharon.com/events-folder/announcement1-ha.htm

Actually we give economic and diplomatic aid to Israel. So we do have some direct link.

But since this is from the infamous "Sheikh Harun" you can take it with a pinch of salt, as I'd be very surprised if this guy even exists.

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 5^th, 2008 at 2:41pm:


WTF for? Israel is rich enough.

And its on the other side of the friggen planet too.

If it is true that that extremist muslimes is starting here, ARM UP PEOPLE, THIS IS THEIR ATTEMPT TO TAKE OVER.

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Wrong. If it weren't for outside support, Israel would not exist. It only exists because of the maintenance it gets from other governments. It is really a liability to, and thorn in the side of, the entire world, not just the Arab/Muslims. It is the largest recipient of US foreign aid.

There's been reports about him in the mainstream media, yes. But no Muslim seems to know who he is, and even ASIO have expressed doubt he's a genuine figure.

Where did you get that from? Are you saying Asio thinks it's a hoax, or that he doesn't have a following?

I spell it Harun, because that's the way the name should be transliterated

Well he spells his own name Haron. Does Islam now impose restrictions on what people can call themselves? It seems kind of arrogant to correct someone's name for them.

Anyway the fact remains, that not a single Muslim in Australia knows who this guy is

How do you know that?

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I think you might be right Abu. 

Abu where did I say he should be taken seriously?

So you are speaking on behalf of every Australian Muslim on the assumption that they are Borg like creatures who act in a predictable way that would have lead to the identification of Haron?

Unless there exists for example an Australian Muslim with a sense of humour?

How small and concentrated is this community?

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 5^th, 2008 at 4:09pm:


Hi Abu
I've heard about him and I am interested to know more. Would you please explain when ASIO had expressed doubt he's a genuine figure, can you please give a link or something? I personally don't support him but I have a friend who is one the students of Sheikh Haron and we usually discuss about him, so I want to be able to prove to his supporters that ASIO had expressed doubt. If you could give any address or link or reason to prove it, would be appreciated.

By the way I am a new member  

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 5^th, 2008 at 10:33pm:


Yes Abu, my friend is one of the students of Sheikh Haron. I told her AFP has expressed doubt about the Sheikh, also I said that no one has met Sheikh Haron and no one knows who he is. First she made a comment then she gave me two links.

She said:  When Mr. Richard Kerbaj (a journalist from the Australian who is against Muslims) had interview with a Muslim and asked him about Sheikh Haron, the Muslim man replies that he doesn't know Sheikh Haron and he believes that AFP must find out who he is. This is why Mr. Richard Kerbaj in his article has written that federal authorities were urged to investigate about Sheikh Haron. The Australian has not been honest in its reports. The Australian,  news.com.au, The Daily Telegraph and The Herald Sun belong to a company called Nationwide News Pty Ltd. This company has had a long history of bad record regarding inaccurate reports about Muslims including Sheikh Haron. The Australian Press Council has received the Sheikh's complaint and they are currently waiting for result.

Also in the other article, it doesn't say AFP expresses doubt, it says AFP is aware of claims ......
It means that AFP is aware of the claims of those few Muslims who had interview with The Australian.

My friend said: AFP has gone to Sheikh Haron's residence to ask him about the identity of Sister Amirah. AFP is fully aware of the identity and address of Sheikh Haron.
http://www.sheikhharon.com/events-folder/federal-police-%20interrogated-sheikh-h...

Regarding Sister Zahra who made a video, there has not been any problem. AFP has not contacted Sheikh Haron about video of Sister Zahra: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2m8w3Dy4us

The article says:
"The Australian Federal Police said today they are investigating whether the video breached any anti-terror or other laws. They are also aware of claims that Sheik Haron may be a hoax designed to inflame tensions."

In regards to my claim that Sheikh Haron might be fake, she gave me this video link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIK6-ZGWwVE

In regards to my claim that no one in Australia has met Sheikh Haron, she gave me this video link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KkjCcqyK0A

Abu Rashid I couldn't say anything when I watch those two videos. In one video you can see that Sheikh Haron with his cleric uniform is with few Ayatollah (including Ayatollah Karroubi, the speaker of Parliament) and in the other video you can see that Sheikh Haron is giving a speech in Australia and few hundreds of Muslim community in Sydney are listening to him. Also you can see a Muslim scholar with his uniform is amongst the audience.

So I really felt I was pissed off for my claim that Sheikh Haron was fake and nobody had met him.

Anyway if you have any advice (but this time it should be with evidence please) let me know, I really like to prove to my friend that she is wrong. She strongly supports Sheikh Haron and she keep studying in the Sheikh's classes.

By the way she said that "Hizbullah Australia" is an organisation that has given its announcement to SHW (Sheikh Haron Website) to be published like other organisations that their ads are published on page "Events". She said Sheikh Haron is not a member of "Hizbullah Australia" but of course he supports all Muslims including "Hizbullah Australia" and SHW will publish their announcements again if they send any in the future.

So I think this thread is about the Australian branch of Hezbollah and it is nothing to do with Sheikh Haron.

I really like to have more information about the Australian branch of Hezbollah, can anybody here give more information?

abu - you have not answered my question.




"that is another ad hominem fallacy abu.

The topic is this message :-

"All thanks and praise be to Allah.

In the holy month of Ramadan, We would like to make Muslims happy by giving great news:

A group of Australian Muslim scholars have become united and they have decided to be organized for some religious activities in Australia and overseas. For the first step they have registered the Australian branch of Hezbollah in Australia.  We ask all Muslims to pray for us to be successful and beneficial for Islam in Australia. Soon the contact details of the Australian branch of Hezbollah in Australia will be provided for public. Also our website is under constructions, once the site is ready we will announce the details. We are legally registered in Australia and we will formally start our Islamic duties first in Sydney and Melbourne then in other cities soon. We are hoping that the unity of Muslims in general and Muslim clerics in particular not only in Australia but also it will happen all over the world. Insha Allah.

Pray for us,

Hizbullah Australia

3rd September 2008"


Which is to my iunderstanding 100% in keeping with muslims plans for Aussie and the world ?
Is that true abu ?"

you just replied with yet another ad hominem attack.
I assume what he says is what muslims agree with then.
But you are just too cowardly to say it.

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Important info on terror suspects;
M'Balz Es-Hari,
Haid D'Salaami,
Hous Bin Pharteen, and his cousin I-Bin Pharteen.
Authorities have picked up the scent of the last two.

Eddi,

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I don't understand why you couldn't say anything when watching those two videos? It was just videos of people waffling on in Persian (I'm assuming), which is a language at least 98% of Muslims in Australia have no idea about. Now either I can assume you're a Persian speaker, and the content of the videos has some convincing evidence that Sheikh Haron is a bona fide figure, or you're just gullible and easily convinced by anything, if you just see some guy in a turban ranting and raving in a foriegn sounding language.

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Well then, why didn't you say so to begin with??? If he had a 'cleric uniform' on, then I'm convinced!!

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I'm assuming speaker of the Iranian parliament? This is what I'm really perplexed about, is "Sheikh Haron" a Shi'a? Or is he a Talibaan/Qaidah supporter? He can't be both, although I'm sure that would suit the intent of those who created this persona. Btw, you do realise the vast majority of Muslims do not believe in 'Ayatollahs', they're a Shi'a invention and have absolutely no relation to mainstream Islam at all. I think the creators of the Sheikh Haron persona made a bit of an error in casting him as a Shi'a, because the vast majority of the Muslims in Australia are not Shi'a. Looks like they chose the wrong sect.. back to the drawing board?

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Since the speech was in Persian (I think), then I'd assume it was 'few hundreds of Persian community'? And I doubt there's a few hundred there anyway. I tell you something that shows just how detached from the Muslim community this whole saga is. In my 10 years as a Muslim, I've never met a single Persian Muslim. I've met Arabs, Afghanis, Somalis, Morrocans, Egyptians, Palestinians, Bosnians, Croatians, Serbians, Chinese, Taiwanese, Thai, Malaysian, Indonesian, Sri Lankan, American, Pakistani, Turkish, Tunisian, and probably about a dozen or so other nations, yet never a Persian/Iranian Muslim. another point, I've never heard of a single Iranian/Persian mosque/islamic association in Australia. We have bangladeshi mosques, we have albanian mosques, we have arab mosques, we have bosnian mosques, and same for community organisations, yet not a single Iranian muslim association or mosque (that I'm aware of). Yet according to the propaganda surrounding this Sheikh Haron, he's some big mainstream leader of the Muslim community here, who gives lectures in a language the vast majority of Muslims here don't understand... Strange.

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Firstly, there's no such thing as a Muslim scholar uniform. A Muslim scholar can wear any kind of clothes he likes. Likewise, any layperson can 'don' a turban and flowing robes. Simply seeing someone in the audience wearing a turban and robes, does not indicate at all he's a scholar.

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You should be asking the one who claims they know Sheikh Haron for evidence about him. Ask to meet him.

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Start by going to Hezbollah's website, I searched it, and couldn't find a single mention of any such 'Australian branch'. As suspected, this whole things seems like nothing but a hoax, designed to rally red-necked half-wits in their hostility against the Muslim community. Sadly, we've seen a few of them here already in this thread.

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Who said I was talking about you Phil? Did the half-wits part give it away? 

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Doesn't surprise me.

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The two go hand in hand.

Don't make this personal Phil.

fact remains, his claims are exactly what every good muslim agrees with

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 6^th, 2008 at 9:03pm:

None at all, in Australia? Are they so small in numbers? Perhaps Malik can introduce you to some (wherever he is). He's supposed be of the Sh'ia sect.

Abu Rashid wants intentionally to change the topic and speaks about his favorite Sheikh Haron lol
"Hezbollah Australia" is different organisation and nothing to do with Sheikh Haron.

Hey guys I just saw their logo, it is similar to the logo of Hezbollah in Lebanon.
http://www.hizbullah.com.au/