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I think he's onto something Jailbird.
Aug 27th, 2008 at 2:01pm
 
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Arpaio has over 10,000 inmates in his jail system. In August, 1993, he started the nation’s largest Tent City for convicted inmates. Two thousand convicted men and women serve their sentences in a canvas incarceration compound. It is a remarkable success story that has attracted the attention of government officials, presidential candidates, and media worldwide.

Of equal success and notoriety are his chain gangs, which contribute thousands of dollars of free labor to the community. The male chain gang, and the world’s first-ever female and juvenile chain gangs, clean streets, paint over graffiti, and bury the indigent in the county cemetery.

Also impressive are the Sheriff’s get tough policies. For example, he banned smoking, coffee, movies, pornographic magazines, and unrestricted TV in all jails. He has the cheapest meals in the U.S. too. The average meal costs about 15 cents, and inmates are fed only twice daily, to cut the labor costs of meal delivery. He even stopped serving them salt and pepper to save tax payers $20,000 a year.

Another program Arpaio is very wellknown for is the pink under shorts he makes all inmates wear. Years ago, when the Sheriff learned that inmates were stealing jailhouse white boxers, Arpaio had all inmate underwear dyed pink for better inventory control. The same is true for the Sheriff’s handcuffs. When they started disappearing, he ordered pink handcuffs as a replacement. And later, when the Sheriff learned the calming, psychological effects of the color pink—sheets, towels, socks— everything inmates wear, except for the old-fashioned black and white striped uniform, were dyed pink.

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In addition to these tough measures, the Sheriff has launched rehabilitative programs like “Hard Knocks High,” the only accredited high school under a Sheriff in an American jail, and ALPHA, an anti-substance-abuse program that has greatly reduced recidivism.


Taken from http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetModule&mn=Sheriff_Bio

The other program I believe he has introduced is eliminated weight training and marial arts (inc boxing) from inmate activities and reduced calorie intake making it difficult for prisioners to bulk up with muscle or alternatively lose muscle mass while they enjoy their state funded stay.
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Reply #1 - Aug 27th, 2008 at 2:10pm
 
Feeds them for 15 cents a day?

I think I know the secret ingredient, lunch lady doris swears by it.

More testicles means more iron.....
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Reply #2 - Aug 27th, 2008 at 2:16pm
 
Grin Grin Grin Yes, I must admit, of everything in the story, 15 cent meals concerned me the most. Wonder if the prision backs onto the local animal shelter.......spew-o.

Body.....rejecting......baboon heart! Grin
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Reply #3 - Aug 27th, 2008 at 2:35pm
 
Has anyone bothered to investigate how they feed a person for 30 cents a day?  You can't even feed a sparrow for that little amount.  But who would care?  After all they're only criminals - innocent or guilty it wouldn't matter as long as they've got an efficient despot running the show and saving a few bucks.   Maybe he'll find a way to cut the food bill even further and earn another 4 years on the job.

You can be imprisoned in some states of the US just for jaywalking or not having enough cash on you and not only are adults imprisoned, but children as well.

Thank God for Australia - at least some fairness still remains.

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Reply #4 - Aug 27th, 2008 at 4:01pm
 
mantra wrote on Aug 27th, 2008 at 2:35pm:
Has anyone bothered to investigate how they feed a person for 30 cents a day?


No have not had a chance.  

mantra wrote on Aug 27th, 2008 at 2:35pm:
You can't even feed a sparrow for that little amount.


How big are the sparrows where you come from?

mantra wrote on Aug 27th, 2008 at 2:35pm:
But who would care?


A couple of people have already commented incredulously though maybe too light-heartedly for you on that point.

mantra wrote on Aug 27th, 2008 at 2:35pm:
After all they're only criminals - innocent or guilty


Yes they are technically criminals because of a thing called due process, although there will always be an unfortunate few who are wronged by the system, that is undesirable anywhere but happens everywhere.

mantra wrote on Aug 27th, 2008 at 2:35pm:
it wouldn't matter as long as they've got an efficient despot running the show


Would you suggest Mary Poppins, a Nun perhaps. I've often thought that prision staff should predominately be recruited from military personnal especially, NCO's.

mantra wrote on Aug 27th, 2008 at 2:35pm:
Maybe he'll find a way to cut the food bill even further and earn another 4 years on the job.


It seems that that is what his community will be hoping. I'd vote for him based on what information I have.


mantra wrote on Aug 27th, 2008 at 2:35pm:
You can be imprisoned in some states of the US just for jaywalking or not having enough cash on you and not only are adults imprisoned, but children as well.


As well as the occasional adult, murderer, rapist, mugger, armed robber, thief, burglar, con man, wife basher, drug dealer, child molester, drunk driver amongst the huge population of jaywalkers and vagrants.

Prision is not about inhuman treatment and abuse. But I have no problem with it being an unattractive place to be. You did not mention the part about the certified school?



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Reply #5 - Aug 27th, 2008 at 4:25pm
 
Locutious do you have any experience with the American system? It's nothing like ours. 1% of their adult population is behind bars, most for relatively minor offences. People have ended up in prison for the rest of their life for stealing a slice of pizza. It's the sort of thing you associate with 17th century England, not the richest country in the world.
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Reply #6 - Aug 27th, 2008 at 4:36pm
 
While I don't know their system intimately, I am aware of some of the problems you mentioned. I am also not supporting the "three strikes your out" as an arbitrary way to deal with law and order issues. That is, not for offences that don't meet a certain criteria, for eg violent crime.

The topic is about once people are in prision though. I am happy for the topic to expand into issues of fairness and social obligation.
But my interest was in this prision model
. I am here to learn and talk.
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Reply #7 - Dec 5th, 2008 at 1:38pm
 
I would suggest that at 15 cents a day there is no chance of the Muslim's in this prision recieving pork. Or anyone for that matter.
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Reply #8 - Dec 5th, 2008 at 2:56pm
 
Fairness is a fair story. The question is does this system reduces crime, especially violent crime?
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Reply #9 - Dec 5th, 2008 at 3:21pm
 
Reducing crime cannot be the the only question because you can reduce it by never letting some of these people out. Certainly not giving them a diet of 3000 calories a day and free membership to the jailhouse boxing and weightlifting gym might be considered a very good start.

Of course there is fairness to their victims to be considered. I am more concerned with the victim's satisfaction than the prisioner's.
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Reply #10 - Dec 5th, 2008 at 6:30pm
 
The type of people who want a job in a prison, are a bit strange to say the least. What kind of person wants to get paid for turning a key on someone and keeping them in a cell? What kind of person gets off on having power over someone who is already denied freedom?

Strange people.

It's more than possible to feed someone for 15 cents a day.

Buy bulk rice, potatoes, flour etc etc etc. You can get the price right down.
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Reply #11 - Dec 5th, 2008 at 6:40pm
 
I think it includes the cooking costs also, not just the food. That includes energy, water, consumables....

A relative of mine works in corrections. It is a massive industry in the US, where about 1% of the adult population is behind bars.
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Reply #12 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 8:17am
 
easel wrote on Dec 5th, 2008 at 6:30pm:
The type of people who want a job in a prison, are a bit strange to say the least. What kind of person wants to get paid for turning a key on someone and keeping them in a cell? What kind of person gets off on having power over someone who is already denied freedom?

Strange people.

It's more than possible to feed someone for 15 cents a day.

Buy bulk rice, potatoes, flour etc etc etc. You can get the price right down.


Easel, while it is not a job that I would want it is a necessary job and would do if that was needed. Remember these people have their freedom denied for a reason. I prefer to direct my sympathetic energies to the victims.
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Reply #13 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 8:51am
 
locutius wrote on Dec 8th, 2008 at 8:17am:
easel wrote on Dec 5th, 2008 at 6:30pm:
The type of people who want a job in a prison, are a bit strange to say the least. What kind of person wants to get paid for turning a key on someone and keeping them in a cell? What kind of person gets off on having power over someone who is already denied freedom?

Strange people.

It's more than possible to feed someone for 15 cents a day.

Buy bulk rice, potatoes, flour etc etc etc. You can get the price right down.


Easel, while it is not a job that I would want it is a necessary job and would do if that was needed. Remember these people have their freedom denied for a reason. I prefer to direct my sympathetic energies to the victims.



15 cents a day would be easy. If they have their own horticulture/agriculture, it's even easier. Porridge for breakfast, then vegetable and cereal based main meals. Dried beans are cheap in bulk, as are chickpeas, rice, flour and leafy vegetables in season. Add a vitamin pill once a week.

Meat is of course out of the question, but some of us live perfectly happily without it.
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