How could you possibly know what goes on behind closed doors in Islamic countries, you think abused woman can leave their husbands and go to Centrelink or the Child Support Agency to get financial support to make leaving so easy as it is here. If a woman has trouble leaving an abusive man here, it would be magnified 10 fold there, we are open with our statistics on most things, good or bad but you will never get any Islamic woman to say anything public, let alone any of their Governments.

pope urban 2 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2008 at 6:42pm:



And what do you base that on? Like seriously...do you have any evidence, besides bigotry?

You ask Imperial how he could possibly know what goes on in a muslim country? I can ask you the same thing.

I am Egyptian (born here). I have female relatives who in Egypt who are happily married. I have female relatives who are divorced, who even instigated the divorce. They have no trouble leaving there husbands.

You know nothing about Islamic women...I would be surprised if you even knew any. Don't pretend that you do.

Fact is that domestic abuse is a problem everywhere, all over the world, however, the fact is alcohol compounds the problem. And Australia has one of the highest rates of domestic violence in the world per capita. These are the facts.

Imperial makes some good points. Drug abuse is absolutely rampant in our society. Suicide rates are amongst the highest in the world. Especially in the country. Child abuse is rife in this country. Every couple of months you hear of another child pornography ring has been busted. Thousands of Aussie men have been arrested over the years for visiting Thailand on 'sex holidays' to go and play with little boys and girls. Every weekend without fail there are 3-4 violent crimes on our streets. It is almost a weekly ritual now....watching news on Monday hearing about the alcohol and drug fueled violence on the streets. Stabbings and shootings are becoming a regular occurance.

Perhaps you should ask yourself...why are our youth reverting to drugs...and even preferring death over life.

Perhaps before you attack other peoples cultures, maybe you should look at your own!

You can attack muslims all you like, however, the fact is that these are not issues in muslim countries.

due to alcohol abuse, family break up, moral breakdown, and drug abuse, western society is more violent, immoral, and drug dependant than muslim countries.

I know you'd like that to be true, so why don't you try to back it up with some measures of the actual level of violence in western societies? There are plenty of stats available on this sort of thing.

Lestat wrote on Aug 20^th, 2008 at 9:00pm:

Should Egyptians be grateful to Mubarak for his repression of Islamic fundamentalism?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 21^st, 2008 at 4:47pm:


Are you kidding? Mubarak is a dictator who has a long history of oppressing all Egyptians, especially those who oppose him.

In Islam, woman have the right to divorce their husbands. In fact if you compare the Bible, Torah and Koran...you'll find that woman in Islam have far more rights and respect then any of the other scriptures.

As mentioned, woman can and do instigate divorce proceeedings against their husbands under shariah law.

Woman have the right to own property (ownership rights are denied to woman in the Bible/torah).

Woman have the right to inheritance (denied to them in the Bible and Torah).

And woman have the right to work, and whats more, any money a woman earns is exlusively hers (as opposed to the money men earn which belongs to the whole family).

Whats more, the Bible totally blames the original sin (Adam and Eve) on Eve, whereas the Quran applies equal blame to both.

And I'm sure you'll love this one....the Bible states that menstruation is Gods punishment on woman for the original sin.

It is in fact a lack of Islamic values which is the cause of womans oppression in muslim countries.

And whats more, under Islam we respect woman, and don't objectify them sexually. Something that can't be said about western society.

WOW, once again we have Muslim apologists running the agenda, I forgot what an open democratis society Egypt is, how many people have dissappeared into dust at Mubaraks hands. According to Dateline, he has won his elections with numbers better than Mugabi and Saddam. I love the war on terror, its not racism, I just dont like them.

Saddam was Americas lackey, yes for 5 minutes in the 80s, are Lebanon not Syrian lackies and Iraq, Iranian lackeys not to mention Afghanistan, Pakistani lackies but I guess thats ok in your book. Its about time the Middle East got its act together, stop blaming America for all the troubles and ignoring the fact that Muslims kill Muslims and have done for thousands of years. maybe your country should be more important than your religion, your country and your fellow citizens should be a priority, then your religion.

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Even if we were to accept your extremely naive assertion that it was merely a 'five minute fling', he certainly did a lot of atrocious things in those five minutes, didn't he? Gassing the Kurds, spraying chemicals all over the Iranians etc. all the while his mate Donnie Rumsfeld was assisting him, as were french chemical weapons suppliers.

And if we discard your naive little fantasy that it only lasted 5 minutes, we'll find that the relationship between the USA and Saddam actually began way back in 1959, when the CIA first approached him and groomed him to take part in a coup against Qassim. Throughout the 60's and 70's he was well valued as an anti-Communist anchor in the Middle East. Then in the 80's he became a bit of a liability, what with him gassing so many of the different ethnicities all around him, and all of a sudden Washington broke off the love affair, publically at least.

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Perhaps if they stopped organising coups and installing bloodthirsty dictators and invading countries, we might get a chance to stop blaming them.

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Actually this kind of mindless nationalism is what's led to most of the Middle East's problems. When the people were united by their religion, none of this kind of stuff was occuring.

You just cant handle the truth, never could, its always deflection and spin, never the reality that the rest of the world may well be correct and that maybe Islam has its head that far up its own arse that it can't see the woods for the trees. Rednecks are bad, Jihadist ok, good one. You can always expect the same statements about America, if the Middle Eastern Governments are so bad, overthrow them, its been done before, or are you scared of what might replace them.

Its not just about Iraq, is it, its about Bali, its about New York, its about a lot more than Iraq. And if I here another load of rubbish about how woman are number one, I'll SCREAM, every day I see Muslim women covered from head to toe, with 4 or 5 kids hanging of them, trying to control them without any luck, any wonder the teenagers are so anti - social.

And just a point about Nazis, weren't they welcomed with open arms into the Middle East. And Lestat, blow me.