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Aug 18th, 2008 at 9:22am
 
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Reply #1 - Aug 18th, 2008 at 9:29am
 
And?
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Reply #2 - Aug 18th, 2008 at 9:32am
 
Apparently it's got eleven tentacles.
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Reply #3 - Aug 18th, 2008 at 9:33am
 
aaannnnddddd.....

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A net-neutrality activist group has uncovered plans for the demise of the free Internet by 2010 in Canada. By 2012, the group says, the trend will be global. Bell Canada and TELUS, Canada's two largest Internet service providers (ISPs), will begin charging per-site fees on most Internet sites, reports reliable sources within TELUS [2012 also coincides with the planned full launching of the so-called "North American Union"].

"It's beyond censorship: it is killing the biggest "ecosystem" of free expression and freedom of speech that has ever existed," I Power spokesperson Reese Leysen said.

I Power was the first group to report on the possible changes. Bell Canada has not returned calls or emails. The plans made by the large telecom businesses would change the Internet into a cable-like system, where customers sign up for specific web sites, and must pay to see each individual site beyond a certain point.

Subscription browsing would be limited, extra fees would be applied to access out-of-network sites. Many sites, in a bid toward further fascist censorship, would be blocked altogether. We had inside sources from bigger companies who gave us the information on how exclusivity deals are being made at this moment between ISPs and big content providers (like TV production studios and major video game publishers) to decide which web sites will be in the standard package offered to their customers, leaving all the rest of the Internet unreachable unless you pay extra subscription fees per every non-standard site you visit, Leysen said.

We knew the source to be 100% reliable, but we also knew the story would be highly controversial if we released the information. We did it because we knew that we get more official confirmations once we come forward with it. And indeed that is what happened. Dylan Pattyn, who is writing the soon-to-be published article for Time Magazine, received confirmation from sources within Bell Canada and TELUS after we released the information.

The plans would in effect be economic censorship, with only the top 100 to 200 sites making the cut in the initial subscription package. Such plans would likely favor major news outlets and suppress smaller news outlets, as the major news outlets would be free (with subscription), and alternative news outlets, like AFP, would incur a fee for every visit. The Internet would become a playground for billion-dollar content providers just like television is, unless the internet can be once again rescued, said Leysen.

It won't be possible for a few teenagers in their parents basement to start a small site like E-bay that then grows out to be the next big thing anymore.

Right now the Internet belongs to those with the greatest ideas. In the future, it'll belong to those with the biggest budgets.

With plans in Canada uncovered, I Power thinks that companies in the United States and other nations are also planning similar actions. By 2012 ISPs all over the globe will reduce Internet access to a TV-like subscription model, only offering access to a small standard amount of commercial sites and require extra fees for every other site you visit.

These other sites would then lose all their exposure and eventually shut down, resulting in what could be seen as the end of the Internet as we know it, Leysen said. Such a subscription plan could possibly restrict free speech far beyond even the current restrictions set by the governments of neo-fascist China.

Not only would browsing be limited, but privacy would be invaded, as every web site viewed would likely be recorded on a bill in a manner similar to a phone bill. Why would the ISPs institute such a plan? One word: money. This new subscription model is commercially far more beneficial to them than how it is now, Leysen said.

If FOX wants to launch a new television show online, they'll have to pay big money to all major ISPsto ensure that their new show will be offered and pushed in the standard package of sites/services/channels that people will get through their Internet access. Plus ISPs will also gain extra revenue out of people trying to access the rest of the Internet, as they'll pay extra subscription fees for every web site they visit. But it's not just the big ISPs that stand to gain.

Marketing and big budget content-pushing just doesn't seem to work on the Internet, and this is something that several industries want fixed. ISPs know this and will benefit greatly by fixing this for the marketing and entertainment industry, Leysen said.

The ISPs are said to be confident they can institute such plans through deceptive marketing and fear tactics. The Internet will be more and more marketed as a place full of child pornography and other horrible illegal activity in order to get people on their [the ISP side once they start restricting it and make it safer, Leysen said.

Unless we really make a stand for this and make sure that mainstream media thoroughly covers the issue, the whole thing will be eased in with proper marketing to make sure that most mainstream customers won't make a big deal out of it. They will only realize what was lost long after it's gone.

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Reply #4 - Aug 18th, 2008 at 3:46pm
 
Prison Planet? Well then it must be true...
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Reply #5 - Aug 18th, 2008 at 8:35pm
 
Imperial is absolutely justified in being concerned at this attempt, by government, and big business, to exercise control over what is allowed on the web.

Business wants more money, government wants more control, ISP's become the police, enforcing what we may and may not see, at the direction of as yet unnamed agency.

What is at stake is freedom of speech, dramatic, but nonetheless true.

We have never seen anything like the web for the spread of ideas and information on a global scale, and outside the control of powers who would censor what we can and cannot see.

We are probably all aware of how china restricts sites like amnesty international, from their country.

Views that do not fit the governments agenda are banned in china, and now other governments are thinking that they want that power also.
I say we try and stop them, and keep the last bastion of free speech in the world, truly free.
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Reply #6 - Aug 18th, 2008 at 10:28pm
 
It seems to me to be more of an issue of economics.
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Reply #7 - Aug 18th, 2008 at 11:24pm
 
Alright, who's going to be nurse Rachet on this board?
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Reply #8 - Aug 19th, 2008 at 8:48am
 
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It seems to me to be more of an issue of economics.


So do we look forward to watching three minutes of ads before our page loads, then an ad break every five minutes, like "free"?? to air TV?

Unless both we, the user, and the uploader, want to pay for premium delivery, like PAY TV, you know, where you get exactly what content you want without the annoying ads.
Oh? PAY TV reams you on price and still floods you with ads?
Who would have thought caring businesses would do such a thing?

http://www.savetheinternet.com/=faq
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Reply #9 - Aug 19th, 2008 at 8:51am
 
The internet is cheap. I provide this site without charge. You pay a small fee to your ISP to download it. The scenario described above will only eventuate if people choose it. You can't make money by selling something that people can get for free. Popup ads didn't destroy the internet because people simply stopped using sites that had too many of them.
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Reply #10 - Aug 19th, 2008 at 9:51am
 
When the people who invented the web stand against it, when the people who use the web do not want it, when the big telcos spend huge amounts lobbying for it, it makes me want to question why.
Check the links out, it is not too difficult, rather than me precis it for you.

I am not saying it is the end of the world, but it would be the end of freedom of choice on the internet.

It would be a little like wanting to go to that great little cafe you found, but the Highway you are stuck on, only has McDonalds and KFC.
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Reply #11 - Aug 19th, 2008 at 10:27am
 
We already have a huge amount of internet censorship.  There are many political sites you can't access - although they are there.  Sometimes controversial information may come up momentarily - you go back a couple of hours later and it's disappeared.


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Reply #12 - Aug 19th, 2008 at 10:33am
 
There are many political sites you can't access - although they are there.

For example?

Mozz, those links combine unfounded hysteria with a lack of economic or political understanding. I'm not going to read any more of them. It's crap.
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Reply #13 - Aug 19th, 2008 at 10:37am
 
Are you sure that you weren't diverted to prisonplanet.com?

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Reply #14 - Aug 19th, 2008 at 10:47am
 
I wrote links, meaning the link to the "SAVE The Internet" FAQ site, and the links from there to other sites with relevant info, not the conspirinut sites that Imp was promoting, where did you go?

I didn't see any hysteria on the sites I mentioned, just reasonable concerns, well explained.

Her is another simple argument,
http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/144

BTW bliss, if you want to put a link in your post, at the top of the box you type your reply post in, there are a bunch of Icons, the top left one is for links, it has two url, in square brackets come up, just paste your link between the twoo of them(it is a tight squeeze) and you will get a proper link. I only worked it out a couple of weeks ago, there are actually quite a few cool tools to use , but I only know how to use a couple so far. lol
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Reply #15 - Aug 19th, 2008 at 10:55am
 
mozzaok wrote on Aug 19th, 2008 at 10:47am:
I wrote links, meaning the link to the "SAVE The Internet" FAQ site, and the links from there to other sites with relevant info, not the conspirnut sites that Imp was promoting, where did you go?


I haven't gone anywhere yet (except maybe to the loo). FD did. Where did you go?

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Reply #16 - Aug 19th, 2008 at 11:03am
 
OK, I'll have a look at them, when I get round to it.
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