freediver wrote on Oct 31
st, 2014 at 12:34pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 31
st, 2014 at 8:40am:
freediver wrote on Oct 30
th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
Like I already acknowledged when I first said that Gandalf, I do not have a poll so I am not going to go into detail.
It's the same evidence I have been presenting throughout this thread. Even your own words reflect very badly on the muslim community.
You're quite happy to assume something negative about a group of people with no evidence. Right gotcha.
There is a word for that too, it starts with P
I said no poll Gandalf. No no evidence. I have presented the evidence several times over in this thread. I have summarised the evidence several times over - basically each time you accuse me of having no evidence. Not being able to produce evidence in the form you demand is not the same as having no evidence.
Yes, I've looked back over your evidence. Essentially, it's you making things up about things others have said.
Here's a challenge: why don't you quote your evidence in one post for everyone to read?
Quote:crap. Not one.
OK, once more for Gandalf - here is some of the evidence I have presented of Muslims chipping away at our freedom of speech.
Non-Muslims literally fear for their life if they openly depict and mock Muhammed.
Muslims trying to kill people who openly depict and mock Muhammed.
Muslims publicly threatening to behead people who depict and mock Muhammed.
Muslims using legal processes (eg the OIC) to make it a crime to mock Muhammed.
You trying to make the case for making it a crime to mock religion, and insisting the majority of Australians agree with you.
In this context, the absence of Muslims standing up for freedom of speech is not absence of evidence. It is absence of counter-evidence, where counter-evidence would be expected if you had a case to make. There are no 'good' Muslims in this debate. Just bad Muslims, and Muslims who stand idly by while freedoms are stripped away on their behalf.
Quote:By taking her statement about a *MINORITY* of muslims being of concern vis-a-vis our freedoms (which everyone, including me agrees with) as evidence that *MAINSTREAM* muslims are (and here's your bs quote again) "chipping away at our freedoms at every opportunity".
Can you qupote me saying this about her? I have already pointed this out plenty of times - I was using that as evidence of what non-MUslims (even the most sympathetic ones) think.
The news is no less alarming on the question of freedom of speech. Seventy-eight percent support punishment for the people who earlier this year published cartoons featuring the Prophet Mohammed. Sixty-eight percent support the arrest and prosecution of those British people who "insult Islam." When asked if free speech should be protected, even if it offends religious groups, 62 percent of British Muslims say No, it should not.
The scary reality is that only three percent of British Muslims "took a consistently pro-freedom of speech line on these questions."
There you go Gandalf. Do you think Australian Muslims are any less out of step with the non-Muslim community than their British co-religionists? Before you accuse me of misinterpreting the results, you yourself claimed that Australians 'begrudgingly' acknowledged people's right to publish those cartoons.
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