As for criticisms, even though half the posters in this thread so far have confused the issue with criticising Islam, that's not what it's about, Malik never complained about sprint criticising Islam, and the fact Malik has been here so long is testament to the fact it's got nothing to do with criticisms of Islam. It's about inciting hatred and fear, and scapegoating Muslims.

That doesn't make sense Abu. Malik has complained about criticisms of Muhammed. He even went so far as to say that freedom of speech does not cover criticism of Muhammed.

I would hope that Sprint doesn't equate ALL Muslims with terrorism, and I've never interpreted his posts this way. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am, but will stand corrected if I'm wrong. From my experience, from the Muslims I know, most of them think terrorists are scum.

He recently said that not all muslims are terrorists.

but what about the right of people to come to the forums and not be under attack because of their beliefs

There is no such right. What people believe is and should be fair game for criticism.

but is that free speech supposed to infringe on other's rights to feel safe?

How is anything on this forum infringing on your right to feel safe?

I can assure you FD, it's not an empty threat.

Didn't you just say in the other thread that you won't bother with this silly legal threat?

Your allowing of him to incite hatred against Islam is breaking the law as is he with making those comments.

No it isn't. Don't be silly.

You know very well what he is trying to do and you allow it to happen

Crap. You keep attributing intentions and beliefs to Sprint that he has not said. You are making things up.

You mentioned that another person has been insulting Jews and you don't prevent it from happening.

I said he isn't banned. I did not say I don't prevent it from happening. It's more the racist stuff against blacks that bothers me, but I also deleted some recent death threats to jews.

So you either prevent this incitement and vilification from happening and make sure Sprint doesn't continue or I will not hesitate to take this the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission.



I'm sick of having to deal with Sprints obvious attempts to try and create hatred against Islam and Muslims and you can be very sure that if it continues I will take it further.

Like I said, just ignore him. Everyone else does. It's not my fault if you take the bait every single time. If you want to continues using internet forums that aren't heavily censored, you will have to learn how to deal with trolls. I suggest you put up a wiki page to counter his repetitive errors. that way you just have to post a link. Wouldn't that make more sense than issuing empty threats?

Easy for an average aussie to spot, I do not need to hate your views to find them ridiculous, unworthy of respect, and deserving of derision, yet you and Malik label me as racist, who classes muslims as subhuman, which goes on to the list of things you haven't got right.

Funny you mention that mozz. Malik made the same claims against me and a few other members.

Al-Gharib, welcome to OzPolitic. The forum rules are here:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/forum-rules.html

They are a better reflection of what is allowed here than the default rules that came with the forum software. Note that I am still inviting feedback on rules.

Just out of curiosity, do you know the entirety of the ruling behind stoning? By this I mean to say, do you know what the strict preconditions are before a person can be stoned?

Malik has pointed them out on several occasions. It doesn't make stoning any less barbaric.

Anyway this thread is getting quite off topic. I suggest if people want to discuss capital punishment under Islam, then make a thread about it and discuss it there.

I already have Abu. A number of my questions remain unanswered.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1215058243/107#107

Helian do you agree that sprint should not be allowed to say those things?

However, firstly I am not a lawyer so I don't know if there is even a case to answer

I wasn't asking whether it is allowed. I'm asking whether you think it should be allowed.

and secondly I am not a Muslim (nor am I religious), so I am not in a position to empathise with those who are and were offended

Why is that relevant? Should it be up to Muslims to decide what aspects of Islam you are allowed to criticise?

I've given you my opinion. There's no need to play at indignation.

Not exactly. I'm just trying to clarify. It's a bit ambiguous whether you are merely criticising sprint for being insensitive and ignoring the main issue or supporting Malik's attack on free speech. You seem to be avoiding clarifying this issue. It's one thing to accuse someone of not being nice. It's another to support censorship. Which is it?

It's up to Muslims to know what's offensive. Obviously you accept that we are not always free to say what we like

I didn't ask whether Muslims should decide what offends them. I asked whether it should be up to them to decide whether you are allowed to offend them.

hence a prohibition at this site on words like sh!t and front bottom.

If it is prohibited, why can you get away with saying them? What does this have to do with law?

Why IS there a prohibition on this site to swear words FD?

Because the people who complain about it are unable to follow simple isntructions and post in the relevant thread on feedback.

So, you're saying that people have complained about swear words and so you banned them.

No.

I don't see how continually baiting people encourages healthy debate

You can encourage some very healthy debate by doing that. It's continually taking baits you shouldn't that causes the problems.

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2008 at 2:55pm:


That helps....
So what are you saying then?

Do I have to keep prodding you to elaborate? You're just like Abu and his one liner throw away answers.