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Reply #30 - Jul 25th, 2008 at 11:38am
 
mozzaok wrote on Jul 25th, 2008 at 11:18am:
"tell me how we will make all people toss aside religion to create the ideal society?"
Great question GSS.


I've already answered that one at least twice.

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The very human characteristic of wanting to understand things, gave rise to our earliest ideas of religion.
Primitive people saw things they could not understand, and created their own answers to what were, for them, unanswerable questions.

As scientific, and human knowledge grew, many of these unanswerable questions were answered, and usually were strongly resisted at the time.

That we still ponder the big spiritual questions, is always likely to remain an intrinsic, and valuable part of our makeup, what is likely to change is the need to develop fantasy constructs to try and answer these questions.
As that is the general domain of religion, to claim to have the answers to the unanswerable questions, as we continue to evolve, the validity of pretending to have answers where none exist, is likely to become more and more marginalised.


Agreed.

Religion is a way for the weak to gain power and exploit society.. Always has been, always will be.

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I expect we will see a growing attachment to a more philosophical approach to life, rather than a religious one.


In any mature society this is inevitable. Though there are still those who will cling to superstition as they fear death.
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Reply #31 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 1:20pm
 
GSS wrote on Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:50am:
as much as u may hate religion, religion does provide us with a moral code, without it, we are merely applying our whims and desires. and without it, there would be widespread chaos. [/color]


Religion does not provide us with a moral code, rather the moral code is merely the by product of being social animals. It has evolved in partnership with our own mental complexities (and contradictions) to the point where it took the likes of Microsoft to rival religion as a business.

How do we get a society without religion? Education, decent education. The Pedagogy of the Oppressed, (Frier) concept should be applied to political and religious liberation. Plato belived that to Know is to be Happy.

If you are happy what need of religion. Most of the religious placebo effects can be redirected to philosophical ways of life that give meaning to our lives and our interactions with the world around us. Buddhism and Taoism don't rely on supernatural beings. ( Don't confuse this with buddhist religion : which is something the Buddha rejected)

We must not believe the many, who say that only free people ought to be educated, but we should rather believe the philosophers who say that only the educated are free.
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Reply #32 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 1:33pm
 
GSS wrote on Jul 24th, 2008 at 3:10pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 24th, 2008 at 3:07pm:
a brainstorming session is kind of useless if we're not going to be realistic.

Wrong. The whole point of brainstorming, and why it is so useful, is to suspend criticism in order to generate ideas.


yes, the whole point of brainstorming is to generate ideas, but it's to generate ideas that can work.

ideas that don't work in reality are a waste of everyone's time.


Freediver is spot on here, That is exactly what brainstorming is. Remember one of the key words in his explaination is 'SUSPEND' criticism, the proceedure for criticism arrives later, when debate and culling of ideas are needed.
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Reply #33 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 4:35pm
 
Thanks Locutius. I was having trouble figuring out why I couldn't get the point across.
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