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Re: Women in islam
Reply #165 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:26am

mozzaok wrote on Jul 25^th, 2008 at 11:37pm:

You do speak some crap Malik.
The scumbag slavers are now, thanks to a little Islamic revised history, philanthropists.

Are you that brainwashed that you honestly cannot see how ludicrous that last post was?
What are we going to hear next, that mohammed was the first man on the moon, take a reality check, if you can even still see reality from your position.
I guess slavery was just like a twenty year internship.

Thanks Mozza,

I've been reading so much of this with open mouth amazement. That was beautifully put. Hilarious. 20 year internship indeed. Grin

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Re: Women in islam
Reply #166 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:37am

Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 25^th, 2008 at 11:55pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jul 25^th, 2008 at 11:37pm:

You do speak some crap Malik.
The scumbag slavers are now, thanks to a little Islamic revised history, philanthropists.

Are you that brainwashed that you honestly cannot see how ludicrous that last post was?
What are we going to hear next, that mohammed was the first man on the moon, take a reality check, if you can even still see reality from your position.
I guess slavery was just like a twenty year internship.

I'm sorry Mozza, are you going to tell me about Islamic history and act like you actually know anything about it? I think you're about to make a fool of yourself if you're going to consider doing that. You know nothing of Arab culture and tribalism and the way Arab warfare worked. So be very careful about what you say here because you're going to make yourself look more stupid than intelligent.

Furthermore you are criticising Islam for human rights? Are you kidding me? Australia's human rights record is terrible when it comes to that, taking the Aboriginals land and declaring it terra nullis, then hunting the Aboriginal men, women and children for sport, they weren't even considered human and killing They had NO rights whatsoever and killing them was considered completely acceptable and had no consequences in the law. In addition to that taking their children away from them and putting them in foster homes, trying to erase their identity and impose the anglo identity on them. That's genocide. Do you know when Aboriginals were even considered citizens of this country and recognized as true human beings?? It wasn't until 1962 (1965 in QLD) that the states recognized them and gave them the right to vote! And you expect to be considered civilized? Dream on mate!
Australia's human rights record more than 1400 years after the establishment of the Islamic state is far worse than any point of Islamic history. Australia has no right whatsoever to criticize this when Australia's history is far darker and Australians have been far worse to Indigenous Australians than any slave has been treated in the Islamic Empire. It truly shows how backwards this country has been.

Yep, your absolutely correct Malik, That's why we changed and we no longer defend that part of our history as acceptable. Of course we have a right to criticize.

Also, and please correct me if I am wrong, it may just be a popular myth, but wasn't the slave trade an important part of middle eastern economy for centuries.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Women in islam Reply #167 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:58am Sprint, it's on topic. You're a Christian attacking the Qur'an for mentioning concubinage, when your own Bible clearly mentions it. Cut the hypocrisy please or move along.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Women in islam Reply #168 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 11:08am lol malik... if you get stuck attack with a spurious argument. locutius... yes and it wasn't the Islamic Arabs that brought and end to slave trading. good point
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Women in islam Reply #169 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 4:55pm re sex with slaves and slave trading http://muslimvillage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13918&hl=slaves quite a lengthy discussion
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Reply #170 - Nov 3^rd, 2008 at 11:12am

Child of 13 stoned to death in Somalia
31 October 2008
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/child-of%20-13-stoned-to-death-i...

A girl stoned to death in Somalia this week was 13 years old, not 23, contrary to earlier news reports. She had been accused of adultery in breach of Islamic law.

Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow was killed on Monday 27 October, by a group of 50 men in a stadium in the southern port of Kismayu, in front of around 1,000 spectators. Somali journalists who had reported she was 23 have told Amnesty International that they judged her age by her physical appearance.

Inside the stadium, militia members opened fire when some of the witnesses to the killing attempted to save her life, and shot dead a boy who was a bystander. An al-Shabab spokeperson was later reported to have apologized for the death of the child, and said the militia member would be punished.

At one point during the stoning, Amnesty International has been told by numerous eyewitnesses that nurses were instructed to check whether Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow was still alive when buried in the ground. They removed her from the ground, declared that she was, and she was replaced in the hole where she had been buried for the stoning to continue.

Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow was accused of adultery, but sources told Amnesty International that she had in fact been raped by three men, and had attempted to report this rape to the al-Shabab militia who control Kismayo. It was this act that resulted in her being accused of adultery and detained. None of men she accused of rape were arrested.
She was detained by militia of the Kismayo authorities, a coalition of Al-shabab and clan militias. During this time, she was reportedly extremely distressed, with some individuals stating she had become mentally unstable.

Amnesty International has campaigned to end the use of the punishment of stoning, calling it gruesome and horrific. This killing of Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow demonstrates the cruelty and the inherent discrimination against women of this punishment.

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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: Women in islam Reply #171 - Nov 3^rd, 2008 at 11:14am That's disgusting.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Women in islam Reply #172 - Nov 5^th, 2008 at 8:10pm The article does not mention it - does anyone know what the religion of these militias is? Are they Christians or Jews or animists or what?
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Women in islam Reply #173 - Nov 5^th, 2008 at 8:12pm soren, I could bring you 100 far worse crimes all committied by people whose religion is Christianity, and?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Women in islam Reply #174 - Nov 5^th, 2008 at 8:26pm abu_rashid wrote on Nov 5^th, 2008 at 8:12pm: soren, I could bring you 100 far worse crimes all committied by people whose religion is Christianity, and? So a mob's religion has nothing to do with their actions?
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Women in islam Reply #175 - Nov 5^th, 2008 at 8:40pm That's right. When a mob of Hindus raped a CXatholic nun recently, do you think they did it because Hinduism permits such actions? I don't think so. Likewise Islam does not permit vigilantism, nor does it call for the death penalty for fornicators. Besides, I've seen some conflicting reports about this story anyway.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47364 At my desk.	Re: Women in islam Reply #176 - Nov 5^th, 2008 at 9:49pm So they should stone adulterers to death in a nice orderly fashion rather than in a disorderly mob? That hardly sounds like vigilantism. Someone was in charge of a very large group of people to pull that off.
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Re: Women in islam
Reply #177 - Nov 5^th, 2008 at 10:25pm

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So they should stone adulterers to death in a nice orderly fashion rather than in a disorderly mob?

Would you like a shovel, so you can fit some more words into my mouth?

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That hardly sounds like vigilantism. Someone was in charge of a very large group of people to pull that off.

The whole country is in a complete lawless mess, and has not had a proper functioning central government for years. Also there's an army from a neighbouring nation running around making things much worse.

Vigilantism is vigilantism, no matter how many people participate in it.

Either way, I've clearly stated that I, me, Abu Rashid, believe this act to be contrary to Islamic law, and that those carrying it out are murderers and lawless rebels who should be punished. I don't really see what more you want from me... apart from that you want some adversary, so perhaps you want me to support it or something? Out of some sick boredom? If this is the case, then you're the sick one here that really needs to re-evaluate their position on this issue.

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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Women in islam Reply #178 - Nov 6^th, 2008 at 12:04am Good for you Abu, well said, and thanks for providing an honest and definitive reply.
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Re: Women in islam
Reply #179 - Nov 6^th, 2008 at 7:01am

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 5^th, 2008 at 8:40pm:

That's right. When a mob of Hindus raped a CXatholic nun recently, do you think they did it because Hinduism permits such actions? I don't think so. Likewise Islam does not permit vigilantism, nor does it call for the death penalty for fornicators.

Besides, I've seen some conflicting reports about this story anyway.

Well, you should never again mention the religion of jewish settlers or that african microsect you are fond referring to (Gods revolutionary something or other). If Islam is excused every time a muslim mob does something outrageous, you should be consistent and prinipled and excuse every other religion.

By the way, when muslims are involved, one always hears conflictng stories.

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