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Reply #120 - Oct 20th, 2008 at 10:07pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 20th, 2008 at 10:06pm:
Another deletion, another threat AND another diversion !!

NOTE to mod - this thread is about ISLAM !!!!!!!!!!
remember ???

to answer your query F/D, on some nights mohammad used to "visit" his WHOLE harem !!
what a way to spread diseases.


All four of them?
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Reply #121 - Oct 20th, 2008 at 10:11pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 20th, 2008 at 10:01pm:
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Did he have sex with them?


Even if he did, so did Biblical prophets... so what?


well isn't this against the ruling that there should be no sexual contact outside of marriage?
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Reply #122 - Oct 20th, 2008 at 10:11pm
 
he had 12 wives, at least. Plus the sex slaves.
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Reply #123 - Oct 20th, 2008 at 10:22pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 20th, 2008 at 10:11pm:
he had 12 wives, at least. Plus the sex slaves.


Is that true Abu?
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Reply #124 - Oct 20th, 2008 at 10:48pm
 
Anywhere from 9 to 13. Plus his war booty


Here is a salient point.

"Roghieh Mohammad's daughter was Usman's
wife, she died after receiving lots of beating from Usman .
Mohammad THEN gave Um Kolsoom , his other daughter to Usman."

http://www.humanists.net/alisina/facts.htm
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Reply #125 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 5:36am
 

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Well it would paint Muhammed as a hypocrit for starters. I find it hard to believe that people would still consider him God's prophet while acknowledging that he did this.


Do people (the Jews for instance) not consider many of the Biblical prophets to be God's prophets because they kept maidservants whom they had relations with?

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Are regular Muslims allowed to have sex with the babysitter if they get sick of their four wives?


No.

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Is that true Abu?


I think 11, not sure. But not all at once. Also this is one of the things in which Muhammad (pbuh) had a different ruling than others. His marriages were special cases, often linked to making of alliances etc.
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Reply #126 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 5:40am
 

sprint,

Provide a historical link for that if you can, otherwise remove it, it is nothing but slander against one of the great companions of Muhammad (pbuh).
Just "humanists.net said so" means little.

If it's actually the case, then surely there must be some documented evidence for it? Otherwise how else would they know?
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Reply #127 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 6:55am
 
Abu, why do you think it's an acceptable way to answer a question by continually mentioning what the Christians or Jews do/did? That doesn't answer the question of what Muslims do or believe. Or is it a way to justify revolting behaviour or beliefs by pointing out that others have revolting behaviour and beliefs as well, so it's acceptable? Pretty lame.
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Reply #128 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 6:57am
 

When Bible believers are asking the questions, yes, it's quite a valid answer.
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Reply #129 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 6:58am
 
No, it's a pathetic answer, and if Islam was so superior, true and moral then you should have no problem answering the question directly.
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Reply #130 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 7:04am
 
OK Abu, time to give people back some rights.
Before you demand historical records as proof, reflect that you only believe Islamic records, as you think the westerners just concoct lies, to smear the prophet.
While we westerners, think Islamic records are sanitised, to lessen the contempt for some sexual excesses.

So if you are demanding proof from Islam, then we are unfairly restricted in raising issues which deserve to be addressed.

The link in the thread about anti-islam sites has a precis from a guy who uses historical texts to diagnose mohammed, and if he is even  half right, then it would explain a lot.

I have not read the book, and big claims, demand big evidence, so he may just be trying to cash in on the tide of anti-Islamic feeling to make a buck, but on face value, many of the claims are almost self evident, but one claim is that due to a disease he claims he had, mohammed was physically challenged in the love olympics, and this frustration at not being able to consumate inspired the excesses of his later life.

Like I say, I do not know what basis he has to make such claims, but the psychology would certainly fit the behaviour.
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Reply #131 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 8:04am
 
Abu - just answerthe question. Well, any question would be nice !!!!.
Dont deflect. Don't deflect, don't deflect.

If you want to ask ANY questions about the bible, there is a thread in the spiritual forum exactly for that.
I started it long ago, posted another answer there for you last night.

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Reply #132 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 8:19am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 21st, 2008 at 5:36am:
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Are regular Muslims allowed to have sex with the babysitter if they get sick of their four wives?


No.

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Is that true Abu?


I think 11, not sure. But not all at once. Also this is one of the things in which Muhammad (pbuh) had a different ruling than others. His marriages were special cases, often linked to making of alliances etc.


Are Muslims allowed to take sex slaves as war booty? Are they allowed to have sex with more than four women under any other circumstances? What if one of your wives dies, can you get another one?

Are Caliph's allowed to take extra wives as a diplomatic gesture?

Are there any other examples of Muhammed demanding 'do as I say, not as I do'?
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Reply #133 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 8:52am
 
mozzaok,

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Before you demand historical records as proof, reflect that you only believe Islamic records, as you think the westerners just concoct lies, to smear the prophet.
While we westerners, think Islamic records are sanitised, to lessen the contempt for some sexual excesses.


The only *actual* record that exists is the Islamic one. Anything after that is just someone's spin, whether it be Muslims spin or Westerners spin is irrelevant. What I'm saying is, goto the source that the Westerners themselves used to concoct their spin from. You're saying no only the spin will do.... It's quite obvious who's calling for the objective view here.

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So if you are demanding proof from Islam, then we are unfairly restricted in raising issues which deserve to be addressed.


The only thing I'm demanding is that you actually refer to the source, not to someones interpretation. Is that such a big ask?

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but one claim is that due to a disease he claims he had, mohammed was physically challenged in the love olympics


Sprint is claiming he serviced 12 wives and several concubines in one night, and you're claiming he was physically 'challenged'... This is like the argument that Islam is homophobic yet allowed homosexuality in the same time. You're speaking garbage and you either know it, or you don't know it, and I can't decide which is worse.
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Reply #134 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 9:03am
 

sprint,

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Abu - just answerthe question


You've been informed before, I don't take orders from you, especially those that begin with 'just'.

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If you want to ask ANY questions about the bible


Not particularly. But if I do, yes I know where to come. Thanks.

freediver,

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Are Muslims allowed to take sex slaves as war booty?


I think we've been over this before haven't we? In this time, no.

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Are they allowed to have sex with more than four women under any other circumstances?


Yes.

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What if one of your wives dies, can you get another one?


Of course. Or you may divorce one and marry another. It is a limit of four at one time.

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Are Caliph's allowed to take extra wives as a diplomatic gesture?


No. Only the Prophets (pbut) have been commanded with special allowances and requirements.

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Are there any other examples of Muhammed demanding 'do as I say, not as I do'?


Since there's no case of him saying that, no.
However, if, as I suspect you just misworded your question a little, and would like to try again, perhaps we can find an answer for what you might actually have intended to ask..
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