Australian Politics Forum - Women in islam

jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: Women in islam Reply #105 - Oct 2^nd, 2008 at 12:10pm What an absolutely abhorrent procedure. Just disgusting.
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Reply #106 - Oct 7^th, 2008 at 11:07am

Saudi cleric favours one-eye veil

The two-eyed look remains too seductive for Sheikh Habadan
A Muslim cleric in Saudi Arabia has called on women to wear a full veil, or niqab, that reveals only one eye.

Sheikh Muhammad al-Habadan said showing both eyes encouraged women to use eye make-up to look seductive.

The question of how much of her face a woman should cover is a controversial topic in many Muslim societies.

The niqab is more common in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf, but women in much of the Muslim Middle East wear a headscarf which covers only their hair.

Sheikh Habadan, an ultra-conservative cleric who is said to have wide influence among religious Saudis, was answering questions on the Muslim satellite channel al-Majd.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7651231.stm

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Reply #107 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 1:06pm

Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 20^th, 2008 at 6:05pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 20^th, 2008 at 5:58pm:

yeh there's many of them I think... women in islam that is.

Actually the majority of Muslims are women, and strangely too, the majority of converts to Islam are women. I heard that in the USA women converts outnumber men 4 to 1.

They must just be gluttons for punishment I guess? Love to be oppressed and all.

Yep thats right Abu_Rashid, those American women love to be oppressed..

Yep, they must do.

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Reply #108 - Oct 9^th, 2008 at 10:22pm

Soren wrote on Oct 7^th, 2008 at 11:07am:

Saudi cleric favours one-eye veil

The two-eyed look remains too seductive for Sheikh Habadan
A Muslim cleric in Saudi Arabia has called on women to wear a full veil, or niqab, that reveals only one eye.

Sheikh Muhammad al-Habadan said showing both eyes encouraged women to use eye make-up to look seductive.

The question of how much of her face a woman should cover is a controversial topic in many Muslim societies.

The niqab is more common in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf, but women in much of the Muslim Middle East wear a headscarf which covers only their hair.

Sheikh Habadan, an ultra-conservative cleric who is said to have wide influence among religious Saudis, was answering questions on the Muslim satellite channel al-Majd.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7651231.stm

Inexplicably, my comment has disappeared.. I merely suggesterd that a season of the acclaimed theatrical work The Vagina Monologues would be a great, er, eye opener for the Sheik - or the death of him.

Some posters agreed politely. Yet it is all gone now, mysteriously.

Does anyone know what might have happened to those earlier posts?

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Re: Women in islam
Reply #109 - Oct 20^th, 2008 at 8:39pm

Malik Shakur wrote on Jul 25^th, 2008 at 11:55pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jul 25^th, 2008 at 11:37pm:

You do speak some crap Malik.
The scumbag slavers are now, thanks to a little Islamic revised history, philanthropists.

Are you that brainwashed that you honestly cannot see how ludicrous that last post was?
What are we going to hear next, that mohammed was the first man on the moon, take a reality check, if you can even still see reality from your position.
I guess slavery was just like a twenty year internship.

I'm sorry Mozza, are you going to tell me about Islamic history and act like you actually know anything about it? I think you're about to make a fool of yourself if you're going to consider doing that. You know nothing of Arab culture and tribalism and the way Arab warfare worked. So be very careful about what you say here because you're going to make yourself look more stupid than intelligent.

Furthermore you are criticising Islam for human rights? Are you kidding me? Australia's human rights record is terrible when it comes to that, taking the Aboriginals land and declaring it terra nullis, then hunting the Aboriginal men, women and children for sport, they weren't even considered human and killing They had NO rights whatsoever and killing them was considered completely acceptable and had no consequences in the law. In addition to that taking their children away from them and putting them in foster homes, trying to erase their identity and impose the anglo identity on them. That's genocide. Do you know when Aboriginals were even considered citizens of this country and recognized as true human beings?? It wasn't until 1962 (1965 in QLD) that the states recognized them and gave them the right to vote! And you expect to be considered civilized? Dream on mate!

Australia's human rights record more than 1400 years after the establishment of the Islamic state is far worse than any point of Islamic history. Australia has no right whatsoever to criticize this when Australia's history is far darker and Australians have been far worse to Indigenous Australians than any slave has been treated in the Islamic Empire. It truly shows how backwards this country has been.

This is arrant nonsense of the most bare-faced kind. You must have real problems passing mirrors.

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Reply #110 - Oct 20^th, 2008 at 8:39pm

Anyway, Mohammed had sex slaves.

1. Will it be allowed under sharia in the caliphate for Mohammedans to haave sex slaves again?

2. If yes, at what point in the implementation process will it become OK to have sex slaves? (ie how much of a priority is it in the scheme of the sharia legal framework).

3. How does a woman become a sex slave under sharia?

4. If not,what iss the justification of not allowing it under sharia.

5. Are there any other instances where Mohammed's example will not be followed?

I hope these are clear and distict questions.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39514 Gender:	Re: Women in islam Reply #111 - Oct 20^th, 2008 at 9:04pm Soren - he also had 10 wifes, including his [mod: this is false, please read about it and try again] They changed the laws so that one was ok. he encourgaged his soldiers to take sex slaves. (Watch for the deflections/deletions on this one !!!)
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Reply #112 - Oct 20^th, 2008 at 9:13pm

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Anyway, Mohammed had sex slaves.

He had maidservants, as did many Biblical prophets... so what?

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1. Will it be allowed under sharia in the caliphate for Mohammedans to haave sex slaves again?

Perhaps you can track down one of these 'Mohammedans' and ask them?

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3. How does a woman become a sex slave under sharia?

You wanna sign up? Transvestites are not accepted, sorry.

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5. Are there any other instances where Mohammed's example will not be followed?

There are several rulings specifically for Muhammad (pbuh) alone.

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I hope these are clear and distict questions.

I'd say more like loaded and obscure.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39514 Gender:	Re: Women in islam Reply #113 - Oct 20^th, 2008 at 9:37pm Yes, one deletion and a diversion. Oh - and a personal abuse !! not really what is expected from a moderator.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47369 At my desk.	Re: Women in islam Reply #114 - Oct 20^th, 2008 at 9:43pm He had maidservants, as did many Biblical prophets... so what? Did he have sex with them?
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Reply #115 - Oct 20^th, 2008 at 9:44pm

[al-Ahzab 33:50]
O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives
whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your
right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given
to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your
paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts,
and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the
daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and
a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet,
if the Prophet desired to marry her --
specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers;
We know what We have ordained for them concerning
their wives and those whom their right hands possess in
order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is
Forgiving, Merciful.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39514 Gender:	Re: Women in islam Reply #116 - Oct 20^th, 2008 at 9:48pm [at-Tahrim 66:5] Maybe, his Lord, if he divorce you, will give him in your place wives better than you, submissive, faithful, obedient, penitent, adorers, fasters, widows and virgins. [mod: You're skating on thin ice sprint]
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Women in islam Reply #117 - Oct 20^th, 2008 at 10:01pm Quote: Did he have sex with them? Even if he did, so did Biblical prophets... so what?
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Reply #118 - Oct 20^th, 2008 at 10:06pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 20^th, 2008 at 10:01pm:

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Did he have sex with them?

Even if he did, so did Biblical prophets... so what?

Well it would paint Muhammed as a hypocrit for starters. I find it hard to believe that people would still consider him God's prophet while acknowledging that he did this.

Did he have sex with them? If so, wouldn't this create a contradiction between following Muhammed's lead and following his commands? Are regular Muslims allowed to have sex with the babysitter if they get sick of their four wives?

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39514 Gender:	Re: Women in islam Reply #119 - Oct 20^th, 2008 at 10:06pm Another deletion, another threat AND another diversion !! NOTE to mod - this thread is about ISLAM !!!!!!!!!! remember ??? to answer your query F/D, on some nights mohammad used to "visit" his WHOLE harem !! what a way to spread diseases.
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