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Reply #45 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 1:22pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 20th, 2008 at 11:44am:
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It's not that Abu. They watch plenty of porn


Do they? And how do you know this?



LOL. It wouldn't surprise me for some people I met in the Emirates, but it would be totally in secret if they do. They're likely to get an extremity cut off otherwise.
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Reply #46 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 2:43pm
 
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Mate, Islamic religious requirements have everything to do with Arabs. It has a fair bit of Arabic baggage including some pre-Muslim elements such as the Jinn.


Jinn, or non-corporeal beings have been mentioned in most other religions not just in Islam and not just from the Arabs. Islam came and destroyed the pre-existing Arabic culture, that's why they fought so hard against it.

Islam has far more in common with the other Abrahamic religions than it does with pre-Islamic Arabic culture. Especially things like dress standards, I know people like to imagine that Arabs were always these robed/cloaked desert dwellers, but the fact is pre-Islamic Arabs had no qualms with their women walking around half naked or being shared around amongst their fellow gents, these moralistic traits of Islamic culture have nothing at all to do with Arabs, apart from the fact an Arab (Muhammad (Pbuh)) happened to deliver the message.

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Is BARBARIC too strong a word to describe forced female circumcision?


As usual we find you at the bottom of the barrel attempting to scrape together some pathetic argument or another.

FGM is not permitted in Islam, Muhammad (pbuh) specifically forbade damaging anyone's sexual organs.

The only Muslims who really practise this sick ritual are Africans who have a pre-Islamic custom of performing this. And in their countries you'll usually find Muslims and non-Muslims alike performing it.

Again your display your ignorance for all to see.
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Reply #47 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 4:35pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Jul 20th, 2008 at 1:13pm:
Is BARBARIC too strong a word to describe forced female circumcision?
No civilised person would think so.
These puppies are so sexually dysfunctional that they mutilate female children, to lessen the likelihood of them being able to enjoy a healthy sex life, but it is God's will of course.

Pretending these sick perversions of MEN, has anything to do with god, or his will, is perverse.

FGM is completely forbidden in Islam, in fact my understanding of hadith whoever commits the crime on a girl gets the death penalty in Islam. What you fail to see through that cloud of stupidity and hate that you always seem to be influenced by is that FGM is a tribal practice which was around way before Islam, if you go to Egypt and other places in Africa where it's practiced you'll find that it's done by Christians and Jews as well. Thus the problem is not Islam, in fact it's the lack of Islam and the excess of primitive tribal cultural practices in the area.

So how about you get your facts right so you don't look so retarded next time okay?
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Reply #48 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 4:55pm
 
Women and islam ??
how this thread has gone offtopic.


abu and malik - your personal abuse directed to others does not help your cause.
Your inability to accept any fault any muslim has done shows a disturbing mindset.


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Reply #49 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 5:03pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 20th, 2008 at 4:55pm:
Women and islam ??
how this thread has gone offtopic.


abu and malik - your personal abuse directed to others does not help your cause.
Your inability to accept any fault any muslim has done shows a disturbing mindset.


Sprint, the fact remains that you and Mozza both come up with outlandish accusations about Islam, not just the actions of some Muslims. I accept that all Muslims make mistakes and some outright try and do the wrong thing and they should be condemned for it. But  You blame the problems on Islam when it's not the fault of Islam so quite frankly I couldn't care less what you think of my comments. You both intentionally try and incite hate in Islam by misrepresenting the facts on the matter. It's either because you just believe everything you hear without checking the facts, making you gullible and stupid. Or you know it's not true and you just try to make it look like it is in an attempt to incite hate in Islam and Muslims, making you far worse..

So which one is it? Are you stupid and gullible or are you deceitful?

If you wanna act stupid or deceitful, I'll treat you like it and ridicule you for it.

One day however, if you change your ways and start discussing matters appropriately without outlandish accusations without truth to them and start applying the same standards on judging Islam that you use for your own belief systems then perhaps I wont ridicule your stupid and deceitful comments and we can actually have productive discussions. I have no faith that either of you will do the right thing, especially you Sprint, you are like a snake when it comes to sticking to your word on these things because thus far you've already burnt the olive grove down.


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Reply #50 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 5:55pm
 
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abu and malik - your personal abuse directed to others does not help your cause


Care to quote where I directed any personal abuse at anyone?
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Reply #51 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 6:00pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 20th, 2008 at 2:43pm:
FGM is not permitted in Islam, Muhammad (pbuh) specifically forbade damaging anyone's sexual organs.


I thought all muslim guys had to be circumcised?
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Reply #52 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 6:03pm
 
easel wrote on Jul 20th, 2008 at 6:00pm:
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 20th, 2008 at 2:43pm:
FGM is not permitted in Islam, Muhammad (pbuh) specifically forbade damaging anyone's sexual organs.


I thought all muslim guys had to be circumcised?

Yes, but male circumcision is different than FGM, that is why it's called FGM, that's FEMALE genital mutilation
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Reply #53 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 6:07pm
 
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Muhammad (pbuh) specifically forbade damaging anyone's sexual organs.


I was just going by what he wrote there. I for one, am happy to be left exactly the way as God intended me to be. I feel more spiritually whole for it.

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Reply #54 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 6:37pm
 
Circumcision is not the same as mutilation.

Circumcision is when small incisions are made which do not damage the function of the sexual organs, and Islam encourages this for both male and female, but not the mutilation some people do in Arican countries, which is what we know as FGM.
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Reply #55 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 7:35pm
 
circumcision is a 500 year regression from Jesus.


"Those who want to make a good impression outwardly are trying to compel you to be circumcised.
The only reason they do this is to avoid being persecuted for the cross of Christ.
Not even those who are circumcised obey the law, yet they want you to be circumcised that they may boast about your flesh."

Galations 6:12, 13
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Reply #56 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 8:14pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 20th, 2008 at 7:35pm:
circumcision is a 500 year regression from Jesus.


"Those who want to make a good impression outwardly are trying to compel you to be circumcised.
The only reason they do this is to avoid being persecuted for the cross of Christ.
Not even those who are circumcised obey the law, yet they want you to be circumcised that they may boast about your flesh."

Galations 6:12, 13


LOL, so why do so many Christians in Africa do it?

I might add that even the Bible recognises those as NOT being Christ pbuh's words
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Reply #57 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 8:55pm
 
[url][/url]http://www.indonesiamatters.com/648/female-circumcision/

The Ulema Council, Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI), says female circumcision is necessary for Muslims.
                                  And more
It's Indonesia's biggest secret. Most of its women have been subjected to an operation which the World Health Organisation says is unnecessary. Matthew Moore and Karuni Rompies report.
                                  And more
Dhimmitude in Europe advances apace. Hot on the heels of a Swiss court's reinstating Hani Ramadan to his teaching position despite his advocating stoning for adultery, a mosque in the Netherlands has come out with a pamphlet advocating female genital mutilation. From Expatica, with thanks to "Allah.
                                  And finally
Where is FGM Practised?

The majority of cases of FGM are carried out in 28 African countries. In some countries, (e.g. Egypt, Ethiopia, Somalia and Sudan), prevalence rates can be as high as 98 per cent. In other countries, such as Nigeria, Kenya, Togo and Senegal, the prevalence rates vary between 20 and 50 per cent. It is more accurate however, to view FGM as being practised by specific ethnic groups, rather than by a whole country, as communities practising FGM straddle national boundaries. FGM takes place in parts of the Middle East, i.e. in Yemen, Oman, Iraqi Kurdistan, amongst some Bedouin women in Israel, and was also practised by the Ethiopian Jews, and it is unclear whether they continue with the practice now that they are settled in Israel. FGM is also practised among Bohra Muslim populations in parts of India and Pakistan, and amongst Muslim populations in Malaysia and Indonesia.

As a result of immigration and refugee movements, FGM is now being practiced by ethnic minority populations in other parts of the world, such as USA, Canada, Europe, Australia and New Zealand. FORWARD estimates that as many as 6,500 girls are at risk of FGM within the UK every year.
Consequences of FGM

So, while we see it crosses religious boundaries, and countries have moved to ban it, the ignorance and barbarity continues, and Islam is one of those ignorant forces behind it's continuance.
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Reply #58 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 9:32pm
 
I think perhaps it is time to clarify what you define as FGM.

The World Health Organization defines FGM as the following:

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Female genital mutilation is classified into four major types:

*Clitoridectomy: partial or total removal of the clitoris (a small, sensitive and erectile part of the female genitals) and, rarely, the prepuce (the fold of skin surrounding the clitoris) as well.

*Excision: partial or total removal of the clitoris and the labia minora, with or without excision of the labia majora (the labia are "the lips" that surround the vagina).

*Infibulation: narrowing of the vaginal opening through the creation of a covering seal. The seal is formed by cutting and repositioning the inner, and sometimes outer, labia, with or without removal of the clitoris.

*Other: all other harmful procedures to the female genitalia for non-medical purposes, e.g. pricking, piercing, incising, scraping and cauterizing the genital area.


All four of these are considered forbidden in Islam and are punishable by death, in particular infibulation.

What is considered 'female circumcision' in the Islamic world at least is the removal or reduction of the clitoral hood to promote cleanliness, it is not harming any of the woman's genitals at all and doesn't take away a woman's ability to have sexual satisfaction. It promotes cleanliness just as male circumcision does and in fact can increase a woman's pleasure during sexual intercourse.

This practice is also done by many doctors in the West including the two following:

http://www.altermd.com/clitoropexy_clitoral_hood_reduction.htm

http://www.drkarenboyle.com/clitoral_hood_reduction_clitoropexy.html

That is not FGM and is acceptable in Islam. Unlike Christianity, Islam encourages sex with ones wife/husband and even to the extent of it being something that one receives blessings from God for.
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Reply #59 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 9:34pm
 
Mozzaok - mind if I copy that to the "women in islam" thread ?
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