Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6
Send Topic Print
Arrogant iran do whatever they want. (Read 25755 times)
easel
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 3120
Re: Arrogant iran do whatever they want.
Reply #30 - Jul 19th, 2008 at 12:24am
 
Hey who said I have considered her a sexual object? I am just admiring her beauty like you would a sunset. And I really want to kiss her, but not sex her.

Also, some women view men as sexual objects.
Back to top
 

I am from a foreign government. This is not a joke. I am authorised to investigate state and federal bodies including ASIO.
 
IP Logged
 
Malik Shakur
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 799
Auckland, New Zealand
Gender: male
Re: Arrogant iran do whatever they want.
Reply #31 - Jul 19th, 2008 at 12:34am
 
easel wrote on Jul 19th, 2008 at 12:24am:
Hey who said I have considered her a sexual object? I am just admiring her beauty like you would a sunset. And I really want to kiss her, but not sex her.

Also, some women view men as sexual objects.

Oh please! What rubbish. Your objectifying the women and your trying to justify it.

Get real mate.

You and Sprint are pigs.
Back to top
 
WWW  
IP Logged
 
easel
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 3120
Re: Arrogant iran do whatever they want.
Reply #32 - Jul 19th, 2008 at 12:39am
 
I'm not a pig.

Is there something wrong with wanting to kiss girls?

In that case, I change my mind. I want to kiss the guy riding the motorbike.

Also, in Iran, where it is illegal to be gay, they help you get sex changes so you can be straight.
Back to top
 

I am from a foreign government. This is not a joke. I am authorised to investigate state and federal bodies including ASIO.
 
IP Logged
 
easel
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 3120
Re: Arrogant iran do whatever they want.
Reply #33 - Jul 19th, 2008 at 1:01am
 
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan07/muslim_women.htm

Muslim men, those lusty critters! They save their ogling and objectifying for heaven!
Back to top
 

I am from a foreign government. This is not a joke. I am authorised to investigate state and federal bodies including ASIO.
 
IP Logged
 
muso
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 13151
Gladstone, Queensland
Gender: male
Re: Arrogant iran do whatever they want.
Reply #34 - Jul 19th, 2008 at 7:18am
 
easel wrote on Jul 19th, 2008 at 12:13am:
I think I have to move to Iran for some of these Persian princesses.  Shocked


I must admit that she's pretty spectacular. I agree totally. You can appreciate a beautiful woman without having sexual feelings for her.

I've been totally faithful to my wife all my life, and I've worked with some  very nice looking women at work.

I've never been to Iran, but I've worked in Qatar and the Emirates. The problem is that men there are not used to seeing women dressed in Western garb. From stories from western women who have ventured out to the markets alone, there are some really sick puppies over there. They complained about having their bottoms pinched and worse. On another occasion a girl was buying some clothes. The male assistant deliberately rubbed up against her and to quote 'it wasn't a gun in his front pocket' and she was totally grossed out.

That kind of thing just illustrates how unhealthy that kind of society is. Many Arab men smuggle pornography in regularly. They don't actually swear in Arabic. It's quite funny to hear them on the phone. They switch from Arabic to English and back. They manage to fit in quite a few swear words that way. The point is that with so much repressed sexuality, it's  driven underground, and men seem to have difficulty just speaking to women without getting all aroused. They avoid eye contact in some cases.

I'm not saying that all men are like that over there. It's just that there seems to be a higher proportion of (for want of a better expression) perverts who just seem totally ignorant of how to speak to a woman face to face, or see her as another human being. 

I remember way back when I was at school. I went to a private school. that had recently turned co-ed. In year 11 of school, boys and girls were segregated in common rooms. In year 12, we were mixed.  The strange thing was that the girls has a civilizing influence on us in year 12. The society was unbalanced in year 11. It wasn't a sexual thing.  Girls spoke about the same thing.  I had many girls who were just friends. I somehow wonder if that kind of thing would be possible in the  Gulf.

Indonesia is different of course. I found Indonesian society to be much healthier, but then many women there go on to Tertiary qualifications    .
Back to top
 

...
1523 people like this. The remaining 7,134,765,234 do not 
 
IP Logged
 
abu_rashid
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Aussie Muslim

Posts: 8353
Re: Arrogant iran do whatever they want.
Reply #35 - Jul 19th, 2008 at 9:30pm
 
muso,

Quote:
The problem is that men there are not used to seeing women dressed in Western garb. From stories from western women who have ventured out to the markets alone, there are some really sick puppies over there


That's because they're losers who think that any western woman dressed like that is 'easy'.
Back to top
 
abu_rashid  
IP Logged
 
Acid Monkey
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Goth Father

Posts: 1064
EU
Gender: male
Re: Arrogant iran do whatever they want.
Reply #36 - Jul 19th, 2008 at 11:54pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 19th, 2008 at 9:30pm:
That's because they're losers who think that any western woman dressed like that is 'easy'.


Muslims who think that Western women are easy by the way they dress should not feel indignant about the same kind of generalising that the West make of Muslim culture.

If Indonesian and Malaysian Muslim men can have self control why can't Middle eastern Muslims?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
abu_rashid
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Aussie Muslim

Posts: 8353
Re: Arrogant iran do whatever they want.
Reply #37 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 1:56am
 
Acid,

If one truly understands why some Arab men are the way they are, then it'd be obvious why the contrast exists between Indonesians for instance and Arabs.

Arabic society (Christians as well as Muslims) suffers from a disease which is called EDS or Excessive Dowry Syndrome. Most Arabic fathers demand exorbitantly high dowries of any prospective young lad that might be considering marrying their daughter. this sickness means that most Arab men cannot afford to marry until they are well into their 30's. the same sickness luckily does not exist in Indonesia.

Although some others on here would have us believe the reason some Arab men are obsessed with sex and scantily clad Westerners is that they don't get to see women walking around half naked all the time, it's clearly just a fiction from their own minds that would help to feed their lust for exotic Persian women (which we've seen demonstrated in this thread already).

Muslims have lived by rules of covering and fidelity before marriage for well over 1000 years, and they didn't have the problems they have today. Those problems do not stem from the Islamic social system, they stem from people in the post-Islamic period adhering to non-Islamic traditions relating to marriage and dowries.
Back to top
 
abu_rashid  
IP Logged
 
muso
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 13151
Gladstone, Queensland
Gender: male
Re: Arrogant iran do whatever they want.
Reply #38 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 7:26am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 20th, 2008 at 1:56am:
Arabic society (Christians as well as Muslims) suffers from a disease which is called EDS or Excessive Dowry Syndrome. Most Arabic fathers demand exorbitantly high dowries of any prospective young lad that might be considering marrying their daughter. this sickness means that most Arab men cannot afford to marry until they are well into their 30's. the same sickness luckily does not exist in Indonesia.


Yeah. That's something I wasn't aware of, but what you say makes perfect sense. It's definitely an Arab thing and not an Islam thing.  It fits with my experience.

With such frustration in Arab countries, I can almost see how the tradition of covering up women originated among the Arabs, and of course, the Arabs are at the core of Islam.

The tradition has never been well accepted in Malaysia and Indonesia until more recently, and even now it's resisted. They have much healthier societies.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 20th, 2008 at 7:32am by muso »  

...
1523 people like this. The remaining 7,134,765,234 do not 
 
IP Logged
 
mozzaok
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 6741
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Arrogant iran do whatever they want.
Reply #39 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 7:59am
 
Get real you guys, why the hell do rational people wish to accept ludicrous justifications for bad behaviour from religious nutters?

Appeasement?

The thing that is wrong with that is, the fwits who are doing the wrong thing, have the decent people making allowances for them, I used to do the same, it is reverse prejudice at work, where you make greater allowances for people who are different.
Eventually I saw that this is just another form of prejudice which some choose to exploit.

Have you ever watched an aboriginal work a trendy pub?
I did, and from then on I decided to try and ignore imposed acquisition of guilt, and just treat all on an individual basis, on individual merit.

Abu's attempt at absolving Islam from any association to sick sexual attitudes is a case in point, any system which subjugates, segregates and stereotypes women as either chaste or sluts, is always at the root of bad behaviour.
Christianity still has remnants of the madonna or whore attitude to women, in the modern world, religious bastions of sexual dysfunctionality should not be tolerated, they are wrong, and sick.
Back to top
 

OOPS!!! My Karma, ran over your Dogma!
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Online


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 47064
At my desk.
Re: Arrogant iran do whatever they want.
Reply #40 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 10:16am
 
Although some others on here would have us believe the reason some Arab men are obsessed with sex and scantily clad Westerners is that they don't get to see women walking around half naked all the time

It's not that Abu. They watch plenty of porn. It's just that they are taught that women are sex objects, for example by being told that the onus is on women to cover up to prevent men assaulting them.

Muslims have lived by rules of covering and fidelity before marriage for well over 1000 years, and they didn't have the problems they have today.

Yes they did. Europe used to oppress women also. It was only relatively recently that the middle east stopped selling their women as slaves. The middle east of today is actually far better, not worse than it used to be.

Those problems do not stem from the Islamic social system, they stem from people in the post-Islamic period adhering to non-Islamic traditions relating to marriage and dowries.

No, the problems were always there. It's just that Islam is keeping them in the dark ages. Malaysia etc also reject the more extreme elements of Islam.
Back to top
 

I identify as Mail because all I do is SendIT!
WWW  
IP Logged
 
abu_rashid
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Aussie Muslim

Posts: 8353
Re: Arrogant iran do whatever they want.
Reply #41 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 11:39am
 
muso,

Quote:
Yeah. That's something I wasn't aware of, but what you say makes perfect sense. It's definitely an Arab thing and not an Islam thing.  It fits with my experience


It's not even really an Arab thing. They never used to it until recently. Prior to the past 100-200 years, a dowry would often consist of the lad memorising a certain long chapter of the Qur'an or other such religious achievement.

Quote:
With such frustration in Arab countries, I can almost see how the tradition of covering up women originated among the Arabs, and of course, the Arabs are at the core of Islam.


This is totally wrong. As I said above, this frustration situation didn't exist before. Arabs used to marry in their early teens almost all the time. I have a friend from Jordan, whose grandfather (so we're talking less than 100 years ago now) married at age 12, and this was common in his time, but is becoming very uncommon in the last few generations.

Covering up, for both men and women is an Islamic religious requirement, and has nothing to do with Arabs.

Quote:
The tradition has never been well accepted in Malaysia and Indonesia until more recently, and even now it's resisted. They have much healthier societies


This is just plain wrong also. Indonesians and Malaysians always covered up when they accepted Islam. It was only when the secularists came to power and then the secularists came to power that it became less of a requirement. But now people are waking up and returning to it.
Back to top
 
abu_rashid  
IP Logged
 
abu_rashid
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Aussie Muslim

Posts: 8353
Re: Arrogant iran do whatever they want.
Reply #42 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 11:44am
 
freediver,

Quote:
It's not that Abu. They watch plenty of porn


Do they? And how do you know this?

Doesn't sound like a very empirically based statement.

Quote:
It's just that they are taught that women are sex objects, for example by being told that the onus is on women to cover up to prevent men assaulting them.


This is just rubbish, please leave garbage like this where it belongs, in sensationalised tabloid headlines.

Quote:
Yes they did. Europe used to oppress women also.


Society covering themselves up isn't oppression, so this statement just contributes absolutely nothing to the discussion.

Quote:
It was only relatively recently that the middle east stopped selling their women as slaves


Are we talking about the middle east, as in the real physical tangible location on planet earth? Or the fictional setting in the writings of the famous orientalists?
Back to top
 
abu_rashid  
IP Logged
 
muso
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 13151
Gladstone, Queensland
Gender: male
Re: Arrogant iran do whatever they want.
Reply #43 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 1:12pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jul 20th, 2008 at 11:39am:
Covering up, for both men and women is an Islamic religious requirement, and has nothing to do with Arabs.


Mate, Islamic religious requirements have everything to do with Arabs. It has a fair bit of Arabic baggage including some pre-Muslim elements such as the Jinn.

Mozz- All I was saying is that what Abu said was consistent with my observation that Arab men are (in some cases) a bunch of sexually frustrated perverts, but that Indonesian men (in most cases) are relatively normal.

I think he's right in this case, that it's not directly related to Islam. 

I think we have different paradigms when it comes to religions in general. It's not appeasement. I genuinely think that personal religions have more positives than negatives, and I don't think that they are more deluded, or any less rational than you or me. 

I think that religions have the function of a personal focus mechanism and motivational tool. They feed the spiritual part of the brain. You don't need to have a religion to do all this, but for millions of people worldwide, they are incapable of focusing any other way.

I'm not your typical atheist. You'd probably be appalled, but I have taken part in religious services and have even offered my prayers. Of course I don't believe that my prayers go to some supernatural being, but they did have a motivational purpose for the individual concerned. I'm quite comfortable with most religions, including Islam, although at this point in time, the positive aspects of Islam probably need to be emphasised over others.
Back to top
 

...
1523 people like this. The remaining 7,134,765,234 do not 
 
IP Logged
 
mozzaok
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 6741
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: Arrogant iran do whatever they want.
Reply #44 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 1:13pm
 
More bulldust  from Abu.

He should know a lot about the middle east shouldn't he, 'cause he is always in da nile! Roll Eyes

Pretend all you like that Islam treats men and women equally, NOBODY ON EARTH believes it.
Even muslims know it is a line of bull, but insist on trotting out the usual trite justifications, but the fact remains that their religion promotes a barbaric, outdated view of relationships and sexuality, and THAT has very much to do with the gross, sexist behaviour displayed too often to be ignored, by too many muslims to discount it as being unrepresentative.

Is BARBARIC too strong a word to describe forced female circumcision?
No civilised person would think so.
These puppies are so sexually dysfunctional that they mutilate female children, to lessen the likelihood of them being able to enjoy a healthy sex life, but it is God's will of course.

Pretending these sick perversions of MEN, has anything to do with god, or his will, is perverse.
Back to top
 

OOPS!!! My Karma, ran over your Dogma!
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6
Send Topic Print