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Reply #45 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 10:58pm
 
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My friend went to Iraq as a part of the Australian Army and said that in addition to Muslims fighting, that it's also Iraqi Christians and Jews fighting against the occupiers too.
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Reply #46 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 11:08pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 8th, 2008 at 10:58pm:
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My friend went to Iraq as a part of the Australian Army and said that in addition to Muslims fighting, that it's also Iraqi Christians and Jews fighting against the occupiers too.

So now Australian soldiers serving their country are terrorists now Sprint? Wow you really WOULD fit in with Al-Qaeda.

It just shows that you read only what YOU want to see on the page Sprint and can't be objective even when it comes to black and white writing.. You tool...

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Reply #47 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 11:27pm
 
who are the iraqi christians and jews ?

I have chatted with aussie soldiers on the net, there is no mention of the insurgents being xians or jews.

that's more like your normal terminology for me.
personally abusive, aggressive and intolerant.

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Reply #48 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 11:44pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 8th, 2008 at 11:27pm:
who are the iraqi christians and jews ?

I have chatted with aussie soldiers on the net, there is no mention of the insurgents being xians or jews.

that's more like your normal terminology for me.
personally abusive, aggressive and intolerant.


I'm not sure who they were, they captured them fighting against the Coalition soldiers..

Sprint, honestly your a troll. So I'll treat you one.. You don't deserve any respect on this forum because it's obvious that you are so full of hate and poison that you're incapable of having proper beneficial dialogue.

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Reply #49 - Jul 9th, 2008 at 12:00am
 
malik, honestly, you're a classic muslim.
Come here claiming "peace peace peace" and all that crap.
Get a bit of questioning, out comes the "insult" indignant response.
Refuse to accept any querying of mohammad.
flood any reply by the huge size of a response.
Intolerant, indignant, won't assimilate.
Resorts to personal insults.
ad hominem I believe is the phrase.

relatively rapidly resorts to islamic ideals, but a step from going the whole hog to show your committment.

Go and have a steak sarnie at a pole dancers comp.
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Reply #50 - Jul 9th, 2008 at 12:06am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 9th, 2008 at 12:00am:
malik, honestly, you're a classic muslim.
Come here claiming "peace peace peace" and all that crap.
Get a bit of questioning, out comes the "insult" indignant response.
Refuse to accept any querying of mohammad.
flood any reply by the huge size of a response.
Intolerant, indignant, won't assimilate.
Resorts to personal insults.
ad hominem I believe is the phrase.

relatively rapidly resorts to islamic ideals, but a step from going the whole hog to show your committment.

Go and have a steak sarnie at a pole dancers comp.

Crocodile tears!

Many people here have asked and queried about Muhammad pbuh.. I don't mind that at all. You do no such thing, you try and make yourself look innocent but we all know the fact remains that your only intention for dialogue is to incite hate against Islam and Muslims. You hate us and there is no denying it and the evidence is all over your posts.. 

Don't act like a victim mate because everybody here is well aware of your intentions..



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Reply #51 - Jul 9th, 2008 at 12:39am
 
From the original article.



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..... "We find it a matter of some concern that some of the radical groups have become so influential, out of proportion to their numbers or the support that they have in the wider Indonesian population," said ICG's South East Asia project director John Virgoe.

"Some of the hardline groups have become very effective at advocating for their point of view - some of the techniques they use are classical civil society organisation or lobbying techniques.

"The danger is that more mainstream segments of society are not organised in the same way and don't have the same effectiveness as advocates........"  



This is normal
The mainstream segments of society are being overrun .
It is not the "moderates" that are of concern.
Not as though moderates are that moderate anyway.
Hand me my knockknock suit.


In 2000, a year before the 9/11 attacks, the 57 nation Islamist supremacist organization, the Organization of the Islamic Conference, officially resolved to support the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam as an alternative document that says people have "freedom and right to a dignified life in accordance with the Islamic Shari'ah" -- an exclusionary ideology only for Muslims that denies freedom of religion and many other fundamental human rights of equality.

In 2001, nearly two months before the 9/11 attacks, the European Court of Human Rights determined that "the institution of Sharia law and a theocratic regime, were incompatible with the requirements of a democratic society."

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Reply #52 - Jul 9th, 2008 at 11:05am
 
I found the original article and copied it here.

In 2001, nearly two months before the 9/11 attacks, the European Court of Human Rights determined that "the institution of Sharia law and a theocratic regime, were incompatible with the requirements of a democratic society."

http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/European-Court-of-Human-Rights-RefahPartisi200...

On 16 January 1998 the Constitutional Court made an order dissolving the RP on the ground that it had become a "centre of activities against the principle of secularism". It also declared that the RP’s assets were to be transferred by operation of law to the Treasury. The Constitutional Court further held that the public declarations of the RP’s leaders, and in particular Necmettin Erbakan, Şevket Kazan and Ahmet Tekdal, had a direct bearing on the constitutionality of the RP’s activities. Consequently, it imposed a further sanction in the form of a ban on their sitting in Parliament or holding certain other forms of political office for a period of five years.

The Court considered that, when campaigning for changes in legislation or to the legal or constitutional structures of the State, political parties continued to enjoy the protection of the provisions of the Convention and of Article 11 in particular provided they complied with two conditions: (1) the means used to those ends had to be lawful and democratic from all standpoints and (2) the proposed changes had to be compatible with fundamental democratic principles. It necessarily followed that political parties whose leaders incited others to use violence and/or supported political aims that were inconsistent with one or more rules of democracy or sought the destruction of democracy and the suppression of the rights and freedoms it recognised could not rely on the Convention to protect them from sanctions imposed as a result.

The Court held that the sanctions imposed on the applicants could reasonably be considered to meet a pressing social need for the protection of democratic society, since, on the pretext of giving a different meaning to the principle of secularism, the leaders of the Refah Partisi had declared their intention to establish a plurality of legal systems based on differences in religious belief, to institute Islamic law (the Sharia), a system of law that was in marked contrast to the values embodied in the Convention. They had also left in doubt their position regarding recourse to force in order to come to power and, more particularly, to retain power.
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Reply #53 - Jul 10th, 2008 at 12:33am
 
so you agree now freediver that Democracy is not just electing a head of state, it's an ideology, and by it's own admission is incompatible with Islam?
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Reply #54 - Jul 10th, 2008 at 8:59am
 
" In March, the 57 Muslim-state Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) prevailed upon the United Nations Human Rights Council to adopt a resolution requiring the effective evisceration of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Henceforth, the guaranteed right of free expression will not extend to any criticism of Islam, on the grounds that it amounts to an abusive act of religious discrimination. A UN Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Expression has been charged with documenting instances in which individuals and media organizations engage in what the Islamists call "Islamophobia." Not to be outdone, the OIC has its own "ten-year program of action" which will monitor closely all Islamophobic incidents and defamatory statements around the world.

Monitoring is just the first step. Jordan's Prosecutor General has recently brought charges against Dutch Parliamentarian Geert Wilders. According to a lawsuit, "Fitna" — Wilders' short documentary film that ties certain Koranic passages to Islamist terrorism — is said to have slandered and insulted the Prophet Mohammed, demeaned Islam and offended the feelings of Muslims in violation of the Jordanian penal code. Mr. Wilders has been summoned to Amman to stand trial and, if he fails to appear voluntarily, international warrants for his arrest will be issued.

Zakaria Al-Sheikh, head of the "Messenger of Allah Unites Us Campaign" which is the plaintiff in the Jordanian suit, reportedly has "confirmed that the [prosecutor's action] is the first step towards setting in place an international law criminalizing anyone who insults Islam and the Prophet Mohammed." In the meantime, his campaign is trying to penalize the nations that have spawned "Islamophobes" like Wilders and the Danish cartoonists by boycotting their exports — unless the producers publicly denounce the perpetrators both in Jordan and in their home media.

Unfortunately, it is not just some companies that are submitting to this sort of coercion — a status known in Islam as "dhimmitude." Western officials and governmental entities appear increasingly disposed to go along with such efforts to mutate warnings about Shariah law and its adherents from "politically incorrect" to "criminally punishable" activity.

For example, in Britain, Canada and even the United States, the authorities are declining to describe the true threat posed by Shariah Law and are using various techniques to discourage — and in some cases, prosecute — those who do. We are witnessing the spectacle of authors' books being burned, ministers prosecuted, documentary film-makers investigated and journalists hauled before so-called "Human Rights Councils" on charges of offending Muslims, slandering Islam or other "Islamophobic" conduct. Jurists on both sides of the Atlantic are acceding to the insinuation of Shariah law in their courts. And Wall Street is increasingly joining other Western capital markets in succumbing to the seductive Trojan Horse of "Shariah-Compliant Finance."

Let's be clear: The Islamists are trying to establish a kind of Catch-22: If you point out that they seek to impose a barbaric, repressive and seditious Shariah Law, you are insulting their faith and engaging in unwarranted, racist and bigoted fear-mongering.

On the other hand, pursuant to Shariah, you must submit to that theo-political-legal program. If you don't, you can legitimately be killed. It is not an irrational fear to find that prospect unappealing. And it is not racist or bigoted to decry and oppose Islamist efforts to bring it about — ask the anti-Islamist Muslims who are frequently accused of being Islamophobes!

If we go along with our enemies' demands to criminalize Islamophobia, we will mutate Western laws, traditions, values and societies beyond recognition. Ultimately, today's totalitarian ideologues will triumph where their predecessors were defeated.

To avoid such a fate, those who love freedom must oppose the seditious program the Islamists call Shariah — and all efforts to impose its 1st Amendment-violating blasphemy, slander and libel laws on us in the guise of preventing Western Islamophobia."


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Reply #55 - Jul 10th, 2008 at 10:02am
 

"HUNDREDS of Islamist women gathered at the radical Red Mosque in Pakistani capital today and vowed to raise their children for holy war, days after a suicide bomber killed 18 people after a similar rally.

Chanting slogans of "jihad is our way", burqa-clad women, some with babies, listened to fiery speeches from the daughter of the mosque's jailed cleric on the eve of the anniversary of a commando raid on the complex in which more than 100 people died.

"Our mujahideen (fighters) laid down their lives for the enforcement of the Islamic system in Pakistan. We are left behind to carry forward their mission," the daughter of cleric Abdul Aziz told the tightly guarded rally in the mosque compound.

Several thousand men attended a similar rally on Sunday to mark the anniversary of the July 10 commando raid that ended a week-long siege that began when gunmen from the mosque clashed with police.

Shortly after the Sunday rally ended, a suicide bomber attacked police who had been guarding the gathering killing 18 people, all but three of them policemen.

The attack highlighted the danger posed by militants in nuclear-armed Pakistan, where a new coalition government has been preoccupied with what to do with the unpopular President Pervez Musharraf, a staunch U.S. ally who has been isolated since his allies were defeated in a February election.

The blast in the centre of the capital also compounded gloom on Pakistan's financial markets where stocks have been sliding because of economic worries and the rupee has set new lows.

The Red Mosque had for years been a bastion of militant support in Islamabad, but the clerics and their followers had waged an increasingly defiant campaign to enforce Taliban rule.

They occupied a state library, kidnapped women they accused of prostitution and some
policemen, and stormed music and video shops and beauty parlours, much to the dismay of the moderate majority in the capital.

They also accumulated weapons and battled security forces for days after the siege began, rejecting calls to surrender.

President Pervez Musharraf ordered commandos to storm the mosque and an adjoining women's madrasa to end the stand-off.

The assault unleashed a wave of suicide bomb attacks across the country in which hundreds of people were killed, including former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. "

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23994931-5003402,00.html


Can "fiery clerics" be jailed permanently in solitary confinement and these women be sterilised ?
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