freediver wrote on Jul 30
th, 2008 at 4:55pm:
No why?
Then why do I need to explain to you why our society doesn't support it?
Are you being deliberately obtuse now?
The point is not that one form of school segregation is wrong because society does not approve of it, but that ALL forms of school segregation due to whimsical belief are wrong and divisive.
Quote:So by saying it should not be taught in school, and that "faith" school should not be funded publically, I am denying them the right to indoctrinate their kids?
That is what you want to do isn't it? Not only do you want to deny them their right, you want to force their kids into being indoctrinated into your school of thought.
Why do you need to lie to make your points? Oh hang about, you don't have a point here as you're making up fairy stories again.
I want NOTHING forced on kids, it is only the segregationists who want kids divided by religious belief into separate schools who want indoctrination in schools
Again I ask, what "point of view" do I have which I want to "indoctrinate" kids into?
I want schools to be places of education, and I do not deny those stupid or cruel enough to impose their religious views onto their kids. They can however do it in their own cult headquarter, Church, mosque or satanic circle, and not at the taxpayers expense.
Quote:You have come up with some arbitrary notion that school and religion must not be mixed, and now you want to force it on others.
The idea is not arbitrary, why do you think it is? I do not want to impose it on anyone, I was asked if I agreed with taxpayers funding "faith" schools, I do not, I am giving my reasons why, and my alternatives. It's only those of a religious bent who go about forcing their cults onto others.
Quote:Reducto ad absurdum is a valid counterargument, because your argument is based on absurdity. You insist your world view is somehow better.
Not it isn't by it's very description reducing something to meaningless small components leaves us without meaning.
Quote:Even though you cannot rationally justify this, you still think you can use it to deny other people their rights.
I have justified it. And again you lie about me wanting to deny someone their rights, why?
It is not a "right" to have exclusive schools, if I form a religion or belief tomorrow, should I have the right to an exclusive school for anyone's kids who subscribe to that belief? Should there be exclusive Scientology schools for kids of that "belief"?
Quote:You also fail to recognise your alternative as merely another form of indoctrination.
How is it indoctrinating?
Quote:in·doc·tri·nate
1. to instruct in a doctrine, principle, ideology, etc., esp. to imbue with a specific partisan or biased belief or point of view.
2. to teach or inculcate.
3. to imbue with learning.
—Synonyms 1. brainwash, propagandize.
Can you show me how I want to instruct anyone in a doctrine, principle, ideology, or to imbue anyone with a specific partisan or biased belief or point of view?
Of course you cannot.
Quote:You have a quaint notion that your POV is based on an absence of indoctrination, or is grounded in logic or rationality. Nothing could be further from the truth. The only difference between you and most religious people is that religious people acknowledge that they have no right to tell other people how to raise their children.
Laughable, I have told no one how to raise their kids. People are entitled to indoctrinate their kids, and imbue them with the beliefs of whatever cult they subscribe to. I just don't see why my tax money should go to fund that indoctrination within schools.
Taking religion out of schools and making schools equal, and not segregated or exclusive, would be a good thing.
You haven't given us a single reason why the taxpayers shouold fund faith schools.
You will not tell us what level of support a "belief" requires before staring dipping into the taxpayers money.
Oh and; Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." Making up things I believe and putting words in my mouth is lying, you'll go to hell.