NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2008 at 8:39pm:


Tell you what, why don't you enlighten us hey?  Get into google mate, it has let you down so far but who knows, with a bit of practice you might come good.

I'm willing to mark your test paper dude.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2008 at 8:44pm:


You're trying too hard mate, It's OK to admit you stuffed up.  I'm cool.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2008 at 9:23pm:


I took your advice and did a bit of googling and guess who has been doing the googling . . .  



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Oh boy, you know you could have walked away with some dignity had you not tried so hard, now you have been exposed as the googler while trying to pretend you knew what you were about.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2008 at 10:16pm:


Nope, no surprises when google is your friend.

I must say I give you full marks in the humiliation stakes.  You really don't mind your nose being rubbed in it at all.  Most would have given it up and said they got it wrong but you're like an obssessed  pitbull who doesn't know when he's already lost the fight.

Like I said, I'm cool mate.  It's OK to own up.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2008 at 10:38pm:



Absolutely, though I have already said it so I have no idea why you want me to keep making you look silly.

From that same report -

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See those percentages of non-ongoing Senior Executive Service employees?  At SES 3 levels it is 9.8%, SES 2 8.3% and SES 1 3.6%.

Now how's your maths?  Is 9.8% a high or a low percentage mate?

I got to tell you, I've had about enough of punishing you dude.  Give it up, own up, admit you have no idea.  But if you keep coming back for more I'm not going to keep embarrassing you no matter how masochistic you are.

deepthought wrote on Jun 4^th, 2008 at 1:59am:


Every Department head (State and Federal) is on fixed term contract (non ongoing). All states, territories and federal CE positions are fixed term maximum 5 year contracts with the exception of the Northern Territory - normally 4 years and Queensland - 3 years with 2 year possible extension.

These appointments are often politicised with a change of government sometimes resulting in immediate termination of contract.

The Senior Executives immediately under the departmental head in all states, territories and federal are all fixed term contracts as with departmental heads.

All positions are reviewed at the end of the contract period (given the incumbent has survived the term) and where required, readvertised.

Has anyone here ever worked in the public service, or better yet, in both public and private? How do they compare? Are public servants as lazy as Rudd made out? Is it inefficient, or is it inevitable that productivity will be low when your ultimate boss may get voted out and replaced with someone who wants you to do the opposite?

As others have said, the PS isn't lazy so much these days, and hasn't really since I've been in it at least. Productivity is good, but often the processes and legislations entailed are cumbersome. Hmmm... Lots of stats to shuffle into Key Performance Indicators. Lots of chest puffing goes on.

It's a different kind of business. In acheiving outcomes, savings have to be shown rather than profits. It is more reactive, yet restrained in it's approach to the business of govt.

One major flaw in the public service, is their inclination to promote Leadership Abilities without its companion Managament Abilities. (Depending, I guess of which dept or agency you work for) As a result, opperations and people can be left wanting.

Still... a lot of chest puffing with cover that... we all like a good 'spin' on things. Leaders can do that.