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Reply #15 - May 27th, 2008 at 4:37pm
 
What?  There is absolutely no reason why the Government cannot state that the judicial system stuffed up in convicting and killing Ross, who they can say apologetically, in their opinion, was an innocent man.

....and if it makes you feel better...............

I declare the man was always innocent, and thus unlawfully killed (they stuffed that up to) by the State.
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Reply #16 - May 27th, 2008 at 4:39pm
 
freediver wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 4:32pm:
Why can't the Government take the obvious step and declare the bloke innocent.

Separation of powers. You can declare him innocent if it makes you feel better.


A typical response from a rusted on ALP voter! Angry
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Reply #17 - May 27th, 2008 at 4:43pm
 
So nef and Aussie, you want the government to make another apology, this time for the wrong done to a single individual - a wrong that was not supported by legislation, but entirely within the jurisdiction of the legal system?

How far do you expect them to go in finding people to apologise to?
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Reply #18 - May 27th, 2008 at 4:48pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 4:37pm:
What?  There is absolutely no reason why the Government cannot state that the judicial system stuffed up in convicting and killing Ross, who they can say apologetically, in their opinion, was an innocent man.

....and if it makes you feel better...............

I declare the man was always innocent, and thus unlawfully killed (they stuffed that up to) by the State.


I agree.  If you read a bit about it, he went to the gallows claiming he was innocent, and sure, I know, most crims claim they "didn't do it". Thankfully we haven't had Capital Punishment for eons. There have been a few other cases where an innocent man was jailed for Life.  One in Perth I think who was innocent and (eventually) proved innocent after a long time in jail. He had reason to sue the Establishment but probably never did.  Undecided

Capital Punishment is barbaric.
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Reply #19 - May 27th, 2008 at 4:48pm
 
freediver wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 4:43pm:
So nef and Aussie, you want the government to make another apology, this time for the wrong done to a single individual - a wrong that was not supported by legislation, but entirely within the jurisdiction of the legal system?

How far do you expect them to go in finding people to apologise to?



Brisbane?  I didn't want high interest rates and stuff.
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Reply #20 - May 27th, 2008 at 4:59pm
 
freediver wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 4:43pm:
So nef and Aussie, you want the government to make another apology, this time for the wrong done to a single individual - a wrong that was not supported by legislation, but entirely within the jurisdiction of the legal system?


The Supreme Court of Victoria has already handed down (the first) pardon (posthumously) to Ross and I doubt to the family of Ross and others want a formal "apology".  Just the records changed.  

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How far do you expect them to go in finding people to apologise to?


Get a grip.  Who mentioned The ALP Government? Always on the defensive there, hey?  Shocked
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Reply #21 - May 27th, 2008 at 5:01pm
 
Neferti wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 4:59pm:
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How far do you expect them to go in finding people to apologise to?


Get a grip.  Who mentioned The ALP Government? Always on the defensive there, hey?  Shocked


Neferti wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 4:39pm:
freediver wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 4:32pm:
Why can't the Government take the obvious step and declare the bloke innocent.

Separation of powers. You can declare him innocent if it makes you feel better.


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Reply #22 - May 27th, 2008 at 5:33pm
 
freediver wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 5:01pm:
Neferti wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 4:59pm:
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How far do you expect them to go in finding people to apologise to?


Get a grip.  Who mentioned The ALP Government? Always on the defensive there, hey?  Shocked


Neferti wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 4:39pm:
freediver wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 4:32pm:
Why can't the Government take the obvious step and declare the bloke innocent.

Separation of powers. You can declare him innocent if it makes you feel better.


A typical response from a rusted on ALP voter! Angry


.......................................... Roll Eyes Computer went spaz? Line dropped out?  Wife told you to get off the computer? Cheesy
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Reply #23 - May 27th, 2008 at 5:38pm
 
I didn't think I'd have to explain, but oh well. It was you who mentioned the ALP.
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Reply #24 - May 27th, 2008 at 6:04pm
 
freediver wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 5:38pm:
I didn't think I'd have to explain, but oh well. It was you who mentioned the ALP.


Check reply #16. You stated "the government" and since the entire country is up to its armpits in Labor Governments ......... was I supposed to assume it was a Liberal "government"  thing? Roll Eyes
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Reply #25 - May 27th, 2008 at 6:13pm
 
You stated "the government"

By you, you mean Aussie right?  Wink I was quoting him, not talking to myself.
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Reply #26 - May 27th, 2008 at 6:34pm
 
Keep this poo out of my Thread, please.

In case someone does not know......I mean the Victorian Government, and I don't give a flying bugger which State Party forms the Government there.
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Reply #27 - May 27th, 2008 at 6:49pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 6:34pm:
Keep this poo out of my Thread, please.

In case someone does not know......I mean the Victorian Government, and I don't give a flying bugger which State Party forms the Government there.


Sorry, Aussie,  I agree with you. Read what I said.  FD is picking on me for some reason.  Cheesy
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Reply #28 - May 27th, 2008 at 8:18pm
 
freediver wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 4:43pm:
So nef and Aussie, you want the government to make another apology, this time for the wrong done to a single individual - a wrong that was not supported by legislation, but entirely within the jurisdiction of the legal system?

How far do you expect them to go in finding people to apologise to?


In this case, it is a no brainer.

No contest.

The man and his family have unequivocally been wronged* by the State, and any State worth the title, in such circumstances, ought correct the wrong, and get the cheque book out.

*The guy was killed by the State, FD, and the State stuffed up even in the murder, even though they planned in no-thought detail, and in cold blood. 

They murdered what was always an innocent man, and they allowed their victim to suffer for possibly as many as 20 minutes before the 'hanging' was effective.

.....and, where are all the proponents of the death penalty, or am I to assume everyone here agrees that there ought not be State sanctioned pre-meditated murder?
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Reply #29 - May 27th, 2008 at 8:41pm
 
There is absolutely no reason why the Government cannot state that the judicial system stuffed up

There is a very good reason. It's called separation of powers. That's why it is the justice system that is making amends, not some politician. Any attempt to undermine the authority of the court would subvert this fundamental principle.

Why do you even want the government to respond? It's got nothing to do with the government. The government is not some kind of 'higher power' whose apology has more meaning.
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