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May 20th, 2008 at 9:56am
 
Far-right rise from migrant push: senator
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A PUSH to increase migration among low-skilled workers could resuscitate parties such as One Nation or lead to the rise of a far-right force akin to the British National Party, an incoming Labor senator has warned.

Doug Cameron, the former national secretary of the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union, who enters the senate on July 1, made his remarks in a private address in the Blue Mountains at the weekend.

In the speech, obtained by the Herald, Mr Cameron said this was "a debate of significant consequence for the nation".

Mr Cameron confirmed his comments yesterday, saying he had been troubled by the gains the British National Party had made in recent elections.

"I watch the British political scene closely and one of the problems with the free movement of labour has been animosity created if people come in and take jobs at lower rates to local workers," he said. "We have to be very careful. We have a history of handling this issue very well but it could create problems."

Two weeks ago the British National Party won its first seat on the London Assembly, garnering 5.3 per cent of the vote. A BBC analysis also found the party, which has links to neo-fascist groups, had had 56 councillors elected across Britain, many carried into office on a backlash against immigration.

In his speech, Mr Cameron also cited research by Chris Dent, whose book, East Asia Regionalism, identified three key concerns in countries that imported guest labour, including "pressures upon social cohesion, demand for public services and other aspects of the country's social infrastructure".

Mr Cameron also said unskilled immigrant workers sometimes nudged locals out of the blue-collar labour market, suppressed wages and suffered exploitation by employers, often within their own communities.

He said proposals to bring in temporary Chinese labour for national infrastructure projects could undermine efforts to develop engineering and construction skills in young Australians

But businesses have rejected Mr Cameron's comments as alarmist, pointing to continuing chronic skills shortages.

The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry's chief executive, Peter Anderson, said increased immigration would not unleash resentment in the community if it were "done on a logical and orderly basis".

Mr Anderson said few companies would base their business models on informal economies that use cheap, transitory labour, such as those in Europe and the United States.

"Very few employers would see scope for the creation of a migrant labour force to the exclusion of local workers," he said. "It would be probably be more costly. We need to bring in people who can adapt, with long-term language skills. Business prefers a stable labour force."

A leading Australian expert on immigration, Professor Bob Birrell of Monash University, gave qualified support to Mr Cameron's claim. "Labor appears to be pursuing higher immigration without fear of a backlash. But I suspect there will be some public reaction and there is no question in my mind this stuff [resentment] could be rekindled."

I think if you read certain authors on some sites you could say Cameron was right.
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Reply #1 - May 20th, 2008 at 10:10am
 
I heard Rudd last night saying that we have to look to the future and we need larger numbers of migrants.  There will be 300,000 brought in next year -unskilled and skilled.

Pacific Islanders will be one of the largest groups - apparently being brought in to do the work Australians won't do ie fruit picking, labouring etc., but some welfare groups have suggested we use the large number of unemployed aborigines instead, thereby helping them to feel part of the human race.  

Apparently by bringing Pacific Islanders in it will help them somewhat in climate changes and rising sea levels affecting their homes.  This could be justification only - who knows.

I believe this directive has come from somewhere higher - maybe the world bank - who seems to control most countries.  Rudd and the unions were opposed to high migration and the guest worker scheme last year.  Suddenly they're in power and it's become such a good idea that the numbers have been increased by 50% for 2009.






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Reply #2 - May 20th, 2008 at 5:04pm
 
In my experience it will be the lefty unions who will cause the biggest eruption of fear.  Leftys are the worst racists - the White Australia policy was a Liebor initiative.  In fact the birth of the Liebor Party was due to the fear of the little yellow people.

Listen to the unions today.  They are the ones most opposed to the 457 visa program.
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Reply #3 - May 20th, 2008 at 5:40pm
 
mantra wrote on May 20th, 2008 at 10:10am:
......... but some welfare groups have suggested we use the large number of unemployed aborigines instead, thereby helping them to feel part of the human race.


Grin Right!  That aint gonna happen! Pity!  Those aborigines that wanted to do something for themselves, already have.  The rest live on welfare, unlike the Islanders who seem to cope on $250 or something a YEAR.  Bring them here and they earn a year's income in a WEEK and see how they turn out.  NOT a good idea.

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Apparently by bringing Pacific Islanders in it will help them somewhat in climate changes and rising sea levels affecting their homes.  This could be justification only - who knows.


Pacific Islanders?  They  make good Footy Players too, don't they?

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I believe this directive has come from somewhere higher - maybe the world bank - who seems to control most countries.  Rudd and the unions were opposed to high migration and the guest worker scheme last year.  Suddenly they're in power and it's become such a good idea that the numbers have been increased by 50% for 2009.


So the World Bank is to blame?

I think that Australia has enough young people to WORK and fill jobs.  They are just getting fussy.  What has happened over the last 20 years is that everyone wants to go to University. FREE and for nothing!  Drive a 4WD and get themselves into hock with an outrageous Mortgage and HOPE that The Government to give them a bonus for being alive.  Easy Money.

Have you ever tried to give your "old" furniture to the Salvos?






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Reply #4 - May 20th, 2008 at 9:09pm
 
neferti - i'm sure not all young folk want to go to uni or drive a 4X4.

I remember our first house, we got furniture that other people had thrown out.
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Reply #5 - May 20th, 2008 at 10:07pm
 
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Leftys are the worst racists - the White Australia policy was a Liebor initiative.  In fact the birth of the Liebor Party was due to the fear of the little yellow people.


In my experience DT - it is the righteous whingers who are the biggest racists.  Wasn't it Menzies who introduced the White Australia Policy?  Most of those from the left seem more interested in the person, than the ethnicity.

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I think that Australia has enough young people to WORK and fill jobs.  They are just getting fussy.  What has happened over the last 20 years is that everyone wants to go to University. FREE and for nothing!  Drive a 4WD and get themselves into hock with an outrageous Mortgage and HOPE that The Government to give them a bonus for being alive.  Easy Money.


Tafe and university are beyond the means of many of our youth and they settle for less.  Have you forgotten, Neferti, that thanks to Whitlam - the baby boomers were the ones blessed with a FREE tertiary education.

I don't believe our young are that fussy, particularly those in retail and hospitality - they work extremely hard on casual wages with unpredictable rosters.

It is not so much the young or the old, but those in the 30-40 age group (Howard's battlers) who have gotten themselves into hock and love 4WD's.

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Reply #6 - May 20th, 2008 at 10:56pm
 
Its seems that immigration solves all Australias problem, if we can get enough immigrants to move here, perhaps it will end global warming as well, and dont forget the drought, lucky that they dont drink or shower, eh cuz.
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Reply #7 - May 20th, 2008 at 11:10pm
 
And to all you folks who did go to uni and never paid back your hecs, shame on you. You go to go to uni for next to nothing, got a degree, made poo loads of money, then complain about taxes being too high, while you look for every loop hole in the tax system, lefties become righties in a very short time.
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Reply #8 - May 21st, 2008 at 8:49am
 
Racism is pretty much by definition a right wing thing.
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Reply #9 - May 21st, 2008 at 12:46pm
 
http://bustingbbcbias.blogspot.com/2006/02/bbc-news-attempt-to-associate-neo.html

BBC News attempt to associate neo-fascism and racism with the Right
In Nazi deportees speak to Di Canio, one can read the following.

The BBC's Christian Fraser, in Rome, says Di Canio has become the darling of the neo-fascist right.

The use of the term “neo-fascist right” is an unsubtle attempt to stigmatise the Right, given that neo-fascism is undeniably a far right movement.

In the same article, the below paragraph also appears.

Lazio fans have a reputation as some of the most racist, right-wing fans in Italy.

This attempt at vilifying the Right is even more obvious than the one above, the article’s author trying to associate “racist” with “right-wing” by implying that the “most racist” are the “most right-wing”. There is a difference between the position on the political spectrum — from, say, centre-right to far right — and the degree of identification with a position on that spectrum — for example, vehement support for right-wing politics (conservatism or libertarianism) or more moderate centre-right views. “Most right-wing” should be understood as “most supportive of small government and free market”, not “furthest right” as the article’s author implies.

There is also the saddening possibility that, as a commenter over at Biased BBC once wrote, on the political spectrum inside the “BBC bubble”, the centre is in reality the left and the far right, what is actually the right.




http://mondediplo.com/2000/10/10germany

AT THE END OF A SUMMER OF HATE
Germany : Rise of the racist rights

Two months after the Dusseldorf bomb attack Germany is at last taking strong action against the far right. Those found guilty of racist attacks have received heavy sentences. Demonstrations have been banned, violent splinter groups dissolved and the National Democratic Party (NPD) and the Republicans threatened with a ban. But repression, however necessary, is not enough. The underlying causes must be understood and the disease attacked at the roots - in West Germany as well as East.




A person who has right leaning may not necessarily be a racist. However, racism (the exclusion of other races and therefore and insular doctrine) is by default a right wing idealogy.

There are attempts by right wingers to distance themselves as racists (see first extract) and possibly rightly so (on a personal level). However, on the political level racism is inherently in the far right.
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Reply #10 - May 21st, 2008 at 7:01pm
 
mantra wrote on May 20th, 2008 at 10:07pm:
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Leftys are the worst racists - the White Australia policy was a Liebor initiative.  In fact the birth of the Liebor Party was due to the fear of the little yellow people.


In my experience DT - it is the righteous whingers who are the biggest racists.  Wasn't it Menzies who introduced the White Australia Policy?  Most of those from the left seem more interested in the person, than the ethnicity.




No, the Liebor Party was formed by the unions to fight migration and the White Australia Policy was implemented at the urging of the fledgling Liebor Party in 1901 - the very first federal government coalition - with the Immigration Restriction Act 1901 which was modelled on South African legislation.

Racism has always been the province of the leftard.  

It was Menzies who started to dismantle the policy in fact.

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Reply #11 - May 21st, 2008 at 7:07pm
 
It's interesting isn't it Acid how some people put so much effort into into pigeon holing people into only two groups, then attacking the 'other side'. Such a waste of time.
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Reply #12 - May 21st, 2008 at 7:47pm
 
Bringing in 300,000 migrants has nothing to do with racism - it is all to do with how this country can cope with so many additional people.  This well written letter was in the SMH today and it says it all.

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It would be sad if Labor's push for higher immigration was seen only as a left-right political issue ("Far-right rise from migrant push: senator", May 20). Australia's population growth rate has huge environmental implications.

It is now widely accepted that human activity has damaged our life-supporting ecosystems, and Earth's ability to act as a carbon sink has been exceeded. Australians must limit greenhouse gas emissions by 60 per cent by 2050 - that is, our emissions must be just 40 per cent of today's. But continuing our 1.5 per cent annual population growth rate will double our population by 2056.

Our individual emissions would therefore have to be just 20 per cent of today's. Fat chance.

Governments at all levels aim to reduce emissions while encouraging economic growth. But economic growth and growth in energy consumption are in lockstep, notwithstanding some reduction in energy intensity.

Continuous economic growth and greenhouse gas reduction are incompatible. Now there's a political debate worth having - sustainability should be core government business.

The push to increase human numbers in this tired, flat, infertile country, with its erratic climate, is reckless. Consider the simple concept of carrying capacity. This is well known to farmers, and has been applied to global population.

In a post-oil era the Earth may possibly "carry" fewer than 2 billion people at a modest living standard (less than we enjoy today), according to some commentators.

The 1994 report of the House of Representatives committee chaired by Barry Jones, Australia's Population Carrying Capacity: One Nation - Two Ecologies, recommended a population policy and a consumption strategy. That debate was buried in the rush to head off the rise of the political right.

But the debate must be revisited, because it is clear that human carrying capacity has been overstated during an age of plentiful, cheap fossil fuels.

Those who argue for an increased workforce to support the baby boomers fail to explain how the expanded workforce might then itself be maintained as it ages. Must an ever-expanding workforce be created? Is there really a magic pudding?

When the coal conveyor belts have fallen silent, the ore trains are still and the craters of exhausted mines are sad, silent witnesses to the reckless squander of finite resources, will we still seek to increase our population to fuel economic growth?

Gordon Hocking Oyster Bay

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Reply #13 - May 21st, 2008 at 7:50pm
 

For Mantra, who thinks Menzies began it all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_Australia

This one is even colour coded by "Party".   Grin  Pink for Labor, Blue for Liberals.  Wink
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Reply #14 - May 21st, 2008 at 8:14pm
 
Very helpful neferti.   According to Wikipedia - the Protectionist Party under the leadership of Sir Edmund Barton instigated the White Australia Policy.  After that - the major players in the Party split themselves up between the Liberals and the ALP.

Looks like the blame can be laid equally on both parties.
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