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Was John Howard a crook?
Mar 12th, 2008 at 1:57pm
 
He let Renewable Energy fall and then tried to tell the Australian Public that Solar Power will never be able to supply baseload elctricity....

To who's aid was that?
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Reply #1 - Mar 12th, 2008 at 2:56pm
 
deathrides - though I am a howard fan, renewable energy is one area where he should have done MUCH more.
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Reply #2 - Mar 12th, 2008 at 2:57pm
 
Let me guess - GNEP (Global Nuclear energy Partnership).  To put it simply the Neo-conservative & Nuclear Big Boys Club who have a lot of money invested in this.  Under Howard, Australia was invited to join.  They are also connected to the AEI (American Enterprise Institute) where Howard has been spending time recently.

The Federal Government is pushing the development of a nuclear industry in Australia. But there are two faces to the nuclear debate: the public story we hear from the government and what’s really going on.

The government's story: The government wants to open more uranium mines in Australia and increase the export of uranium. The government says this will earn Australia more export income.

The real story: There is a concerted push for Australia to import deadly nuclear waste produced from the uranium we export. The more uranium we export, the greater this push will become.

The government's story: Until recently, we were told that the government was just keeping a ‘watching brief’ on George Bush’s Global Nuclear Energy Partnership. GNEP is a major push by the US President to have the US coordinate a so-called ‘global nuclear rennaisance’. The Prime Minister, John Howard, was briefed about GNEP when he visited Washington in May 2006. During APEC2007, the Prime MInister announced that it was his government's intention to join GNEP and that the Government would attend a GNEP meeting in Vienna on 16 September 2007. Now we are being told that GNEP would NOT mean that Australia would build an international nuclear waste dump.

The real story: GNEP is about a small nuclear club that has enrichment capability leasing nuclear fuel to the rest of the world. Leasing means that the GNEP club - or a small subset of its members - would take back the highly toxic nuclear waste, after the fuel is burnt in nuclear power plants.  The United States is keen to have Australia participate in GNEP because Australia is a friendly ally, with a large stable land mass and a relatively small population - ideal for a place to dump the world's nuclear waste.  

In June 2007, the Liberal Party unanimously endorsed establishing the entire nuclear fuel cycle in Australia, including an international nuclear waste dump. This endorsement is a necessary prerequisite for the Government signing off on such a development in Cabinet.

The government's story: The government is considering the establishment of a uranium enrichment plant in Australia. The public reason is to ‘add value’ to uranium and earn more export income.

The real story: With an enrichment plant, the government would have the ability to develop nuclear fuel, a key role of "fuel supplier" nations within GNEP. The government would also have the technical ability to make fuel for nuclear weapons. A decision to build an enrichment plant in Australia could trigger a nuclear arms race in the Asian region.

An enrichment plant in Australia would produce large volumes of radioactive waste (called ‘depleted uranium’). Where would this waste go?

The government's story: The government is pushing hard for 25 nuclear power plants in Australia by 2050. The story we’re being told is this: if we’re concerned about global warming, then we must accept that nuclear power is part of the solution.

The real story: Even the country with the biggest domestic nuclear power industry in the world – the US – hasn’t been able to build a centralized high-level nuclear waste dump, far from where people live. So, after 50 years, all the deadly nuclear waste from US nuclear power plants is being stored indefinitely at these plants, close to major cities. And, after 50 years of the nuclear industry, there is no safe, proven method of long term disposal.

And another thing: the PM’s nuclear report – released on 29 December 2006 – shows that even with 25 nuclear power plants, Australia’s greenhouse gas emissions are projected to rise very significantly. The real solutions to climate change are energy efficiency and renewable energies. The government has consistently failed to promote these two safe and lasting solutions.

http://www.nuclearfreeaustralia.com.au/articles/brief-analysis
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Reply #3 - Mar 12th, 2008 at 3:33pm
 
The question does remain: what is Kevin Rudd going to do about the GNEP membership?!?
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Reply #4 - Mar 12th, 2008 at 3:51pm
 
mantra - yes, I disagree with nuclear too.
One of the areas where some of us righties agree with the lefties. Smiley

dump nuclear and go all out for renewable.
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Reply #5 - Mar 12th, 2008 at 4:30pm
 
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One of the areas where some of us righties agree with the lefties.  


Yes Sprintcyclist - that is true - in regard to the environment, renewables and animals, you hold very similar views to us lefties - and that's a nice change.  If more righties felt that way - we would only need one political party.

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The question does remain: what is Kevin Rudd going to do about the GNEP membership?!?


Difficult question Deathridesahorse.  I have always believed that Howard had committed Australia to processing uranium, NP stations and becoming a nuclear waste dump - but since APEC this subject has not been mentioned.  Prior to the election, there were signs everywhere that we were preparing to accommodate our commitment to the GNEP, but obviously no proof as far as written agreements has been made available to the public.

Rudd will be confronted with this issue shortly and it will be interesting to see which direction he takes after all his promises about there being no nuclear waste dumps or power stations in Australia.  He hasn't said anything about uranium processing though - so that deal might already have been committed to.
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Reply #6 - Mar 13th, 2008 at 5:32pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 12th, 2008 at 3:51pm:
mantra - yes, I disagree with nuclear too.
One of the areas where some of us righties agree with the lefties. Smiley

dump nuclear and go all out for renewable.



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Reply #7 - Mar 13th, 2008 at 5:34pm
 
mantra wrote on Mar 12th, 2008 at 4:30pm:
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One of the areas where some of us righties agree with the lefties.  


Yes Sprintcyclist - that is true - in regard to the environment, renewables and animals, you hold very similar views to us lefties - and that's a nice change.  If more righties felt that way - we would only need one political party.

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The question does remain: what is Kevin Rudd going to do about the GNEP membership?!?


Difficult question Deathridesahorse.  I have always believed that Howard had committed Australia to processing uranium, NP stations and becoming a nuclear waste dump - but since APEC this subject has not been mentioned.  Prior to the election, there were signs everywhere that we were preparing to accommodate our commitment to the GNEP, but obviously no proof as far as written agreements has been made available to the public.

Rudd will be confronted with this issue shortly and it will be interesting to see which direction he takes after all his promises about there being no nuclear waste dumps or power stations in Australia.  He hasn't said anything about uranium processing though - so that deal might already have been committed to.



Did he actually say there were to be no Nuclear Waste Dumps in Australia under Labor?!?
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Reply #8 - Mar 13th, 2008 at 6:03pm
 
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Did he actually say there were to be no Nuclear Waste Dumps in Australia under Labor


Hmmm.  Not that I recall, but I can guarantee the Greens have been squealing about that issue for a while.  Hopefully in exchange for their preferences, Labor may have made an agreement with the Greens - if it was possible.   The Khan Railway (Haliburton are partners with the Gov) was specifically built to make a nuclear tip more accessible for transportion of waste.   I do know that Anthony Albanese, while in opposition - genuinely and publicly opposed NP stations and a nuclear waste dump in Australia..

I have yet to hear Rudd utter the words -"no global nuclear waste tip in Australia" - perhaps someone else has heard him.
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Reply #9 - Mar 13th, 2008 at 6:44pm
 
Little Kevvy has a 'me too' approach to it even though he demonstrates his hypocrisy again.  Australia is still a member and continues attending meetings of the GNEP.  John Howard always made it clear he was against accepting waste from other countries.



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Documents from the US confirm that Australia continued to attend meetings of the partnership after Kevin Rudd won the election.

Before then, the Labor Party was critical of Australia's participation in the grouping, arguing that it could lead to Australia becoming the world's nuclear waste dump. The then shadow resources spokesman, Senator Chris Evans, had said Australia had "no interest" in that area.

"We don't accept the argument that as an exporter we should be required to take back the waste product from Australian uranium," he said. "We don't do it in any other industries."

But it is thought that Mr Smith and Resources Minister Martin Ferguson broadly support the alliance, believing it will further Australia's interests as a uranium exporter.

Mr Ferguson is the strongest advocate in Labor Party ranks for expanding Australia's uranium mining and export industries.

Membership of the partnership has now grown steadily to more than 20 countries, including Canada, the world's other major supplier of uranium and a competitor in world markets.

The former prime minister, John Howard, said Australia had joined on the basis of its status as a uranium supplier, insisting it would not accept waste from other countries.

Little Kevvy doesn't want the mushrooms to know

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Reply #10 - Mar 13th, 2008 at 8:28pm
 
Though John Howard was not a crook - he was a cook.  Is that what you meant death?

He was on top of the dishwasher.
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Reply #11 - Mar 24th, 2008 at 2:24pm
 
a crook is someone who makes a dishonest living. jh was a big crook. the lieberals are full of crooks.


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21634517-601,00.html
The federal Government will immediately start ditching cumbersome and overlapping federal regulations that make uranium exports more difficult, pump funds into nuclear research and commit to helping develop the next future "Generation IV" nuclear power generators. They would use fewer raw materials than Generation III generators. They would be cheaper, smaller, more easily built and use recycled nuclear waste.
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Reply #12 - Mar 25th, 2008 at 3:12pm
 
Dooley wrote on Mar 24th, 2008 at 2:24pm:
a crook is someone who makes a dishonest living. jh was a big crook. the lieberals are full of crooks.

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Really?  I hope you weren't being dishonest in making that baseless claim.  I expect you will provide some evidence for your defamatory slur.  
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