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Re: Is this a consensus statement?
Reply #45 - Dec 25^th, 2007 at 8:31pm

freediver wrote on Dec 25^th, 2007 at 8:23pm:

Yeah, it's something like that.

So, on your own forum you don't have the good grace to answer a question if it is inconvenient (read, will reveal your own ambivalence) or because you are simply ignorant?

How can you expect good grace of others if you will not offer it to fellow forumites old mate? What is so hard about being civil?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47481 At my desk.	Re: Is this a consensus statement? Reply #46 - Dec 25^th, 2007 at 8:33pm IQSRLOW wrote on Dec 25^th, 2007 at 8:31pm: Do you concede that humans are responsible for global warming? A simple yes or no will do it I'm curious why you use the word 'concede' IQ.
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Re: Is this a consensus statement?
Reply #47 - Dec 25^th, 2007 at 8:35pm

freediver wrote on Dec 25^th, 2007 at 8:33pm:

IQSRLOW wrote on Dec 25^th, 2007 at 8:31pm:

Do you concede that humans are responsible for global warming?

A simple yes or no will do it

I'm curious why you use the word 'concede' IQ.

Because you did?

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Unless you concede that humans are responsible for global warming there is not much point going into detail about how far we should go in responding and what effect it will have.

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IQSRLOW Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1618	Re: Is this a consensus statement? Reply #48 - Dec 25^th, 2007 at 8:43pm Uh oh...could be another couple of weeks before we can a simple answer.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47481 At my desk.	Re: Is this a consensus statement? Reply #49 - Dec 25^th, 2007 at 8:45pm It's a silly question IQ. You are asking me whether I concede a point I have been arguing for all along.
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Re: Is this a consensus statement?
Reply #50 - Dec 25^th, 2007 at 8:50pm

freediver wrote on Dec 25^th, 2007 at 8:45pm:

It's a silly question IQ. You are asking me whether I concede a point I have been arguing for all along.

So you do concede that humans are responsible for global warming?

I have not seen you say that outright is all. You slither about it using words like 'probably', maybe' etc. Why can't you answer simple questions with some civility?

Do you concede that humans are responsible for global warming?

I don't believe they are responsible at all for global warming.

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IQSRLOW Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1618	Re: Is this a consensus statement? Reply #51 - Dec 25^th, 2007 at 8:51pm A point you may have been arguing, but one you have refused to answer directly
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47481 At my desk.	Re: Is this a consensus statement? Reply #52 - Dec 25^th, 2007 at 8:53pm I believe it is highly likely that global warming is real and that humans are primarily reponsible.
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Reply #53 - Dec 25^th, 2007 at 8:57pm

freediver wrote on Dec 25^th, 2007 at 8:53pm:

I believe it is highly likely that global warming is real and that humans are primarily reponsible.

Just as I said.

deepthought wrote on Dec 25^th, 2007 at 8:50pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 25^th, 2007 at 8:45pm:

It's a silly question IQ. You are asking me whether I concede a point I have been arguing for all along.

You slither about it using words like 'probably', maybe' etc. Why can't you answer simple questions with some civility?

But anyway as you believe that it is highly likely, can you explain what caused global warming before humans were primarily reponsible?

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IQSRLOW Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1618	Re: Is this a consensus statement? Reply #54 - Dec 25^th, 2007 at 9:16pm But anyway as you believe that it is highly likely, can you explain what caused global warming before humans were primarily reponsible? Bump
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IQSRLOW Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1618	Re: Is this a consensus statement? Reply #55 - Dec 25^th, 2007 at 9:52pm Do you concede that humans are responsible for global warming? Just to add...Officially FD's answer to this question would be NO!
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Re: Is this a consensus statement?
Reply #56 - Dec 25^th, 2007 at 9:52pm

IQSRLOW wrote on Dec 25^th, 2007 at 9:16pm:

But anyway as you believe that it is highly likely, can you explain what caused global warming before humans were primarily reponsible?

Bump Grin

DT, he said:

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I believe it is highly likely that global warming is real and that humans are primarily responsible.

Are you, DT, asserting that 'global warming' is occurring and that it was happening in a human less environment?

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IQSRLOW Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1618	Re: Is this a consensus statement? Reply #57 - Dec 25^th, 2007 at 10:02pm Are you, DT, asserting that 'global warming' is occurring and that it was happening in a human less environment? This could go round all day Are you Nazi, asserting that the global climate is static?
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Re: Is this a consensus statement?
Reply #58 - Dec 25^th, 2007 at 11:48pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 25^th, 2007 at 9:52pm:

IQSRLOW wrote on Dec 25^th, 2007 at 9:16pm:

But anyway as you believe that it is highly likely, can you explain what caused global warming before humans were primarily reponsible?

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DT, he said:

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I believe it is highly likely that global warming is real and that humans are primarily responsible.

Are you, DT, asserting that 'global warming' is occurring and that it was happening in a human less environment?

I don't need to assert it - it is a fact. Everyone knows about it (apart from you apparently though as the other thread about Little Kevvy attests you seem to have been in a coma for a while) - here check it out for yourself. This rather nice graph shows the regularly occurring global warming and cooling cycles over the last (nearly) half a million years. It has been warmer than today in fact. And I have a fair idea that humans weren't generating a lot of electricity or roaring about in gas guzzling Ford Territories much before a hundred years ago.

Now I'm waiting for freediver to explain just why this period of global warming is different to all the others as humans are primarily responsible for this one according to him. What happened before to cause it? Could it all just be perfectly natural? I'm inclined to believe so - as history is my guide.

freediver? Your answer if you will.

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Re: Is this a consensus statement?
Reply #59 - Dec 26^th, 2007 at 8:28am

There were lots of causes operating over different time scales, including Milankovic cycles, variations in the sun's output, natural integrators and positive feedback loops within the earth etc. They were still the drivers up until very recently, when their effects were swamped by anthropogenic influences. The difference now is that CO2 concentrations are unprecedented, as is the rate of warming.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1170222422/72#72

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