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Bipartisan support for Kyoto - thanks Nelson
Nov 29th, 2007 at 9:57pm
 
New Liberal leader Brendan Nelson speaks on Iraq, Kyoto

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22842843-661,00.html

NEW Liberal leader Brendan Nelson has said his party will pose no significant objections to the Rudd government's plans to withdraw from Iraq and ratify the Kyoto climate change agreement.

In his first press conference after a surprise 45-42 vote victory over rival Malcolm Turnbull, Dr Nelson said his Liberal opposition would accept the new Rudd government's right to implement policy.

The opposition will hold the balance of power in the Senate until July.

Dr Nelson said the opposition would support Australia's ratification of the Kyoto Protocol.

"Whatever some critics of the Kyoto Protocol might think, it's symbolically important to Australians and I think the most important thing for us as the alternative government is to see that Mr Rudd gets it right," Mr Nelson said.

On Iraq, Dr Nelson said Australia and its allies, including the US, had a responsibility to rebuild security and allow the Iraqis to manage their own country.
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Reply #1 - Nov 29th, 2007 at 10:41pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 29th, 2007 at 9:57pm:
New Liberal leader Brendan Nelson speaks on Iraq, Kyoto

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22842843-661,00.html

NEW Liberal leader Brendan Nelson has said his party will pose no significant objections to the Rudd government's plans to withdraw from Iraq and ratify the Kyoto climate change agreement.

In his first press conference after a surprise 45-42 vote victory over rival Malcolm Turnbull, Dr Nelson said his Liberal opposition would accept the new Rudd government's right to implement policy.

The opposition will hold the balance of power in the Senate until July.

Dr Nelson said the opposition would support Australia's ratification of the Kyoto Protocol.

"Whatever some critics of the Kyoto Protocol might think, it's symbolically important to Australians and I think the most important thing for us as the alternative government is to see that Mr Rudd gets it right," Mr Nelson said.

On Iraq, Dr Nelson said Australia and its allies, including the US, had a responsibility to rebuild security and allow the Iraqis to manage their own country.


Good tactic Brendan.  The sooner Australia sees the reality of the Rudd policies the sooner we will return to a coalition government.  He's taking the same approach as Joe Hockey.  It's a terrible pity Australians will pay the price but when the majority make the mistake they just did then unfortunately they have to take the responsibility for the damage it causes to their fellow Australians.

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Reply #2 - Nov 30th, 2007 at 8:43am
 
Dr Nelson said the opposition would support Australia's ratification of the Kyoto Protocol.
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Reply #3 - Nov 30th, 2007 at 12:05pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 30th, 2007 at 8:43am:
Dr Nelson said the opposition would support Australia's ratification of the Kyoto Protocol.



Yes he did.   And why did he say the opposition would support Australia's ratification of the Kyoto Protocol?
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Reply #4 - Nov 30th, 2007 at 12:17pm
 
Because the majority of Australians support the move.
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Reply #5 - Nov 30th, 2007 at 12:45pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 30th, 2007 at 12:17pm:
Because the majority of Australians support the move.



Now you are listening.
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Aussies corporates join climate ca
Reply #6 - Nov 30th, 2007 at 12:53pm
 
They support the move because they agree with the majority of scientists and economists.



Aussies corporates join climate call

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Aussies-corporates-join-climate-call/2007/11/30/1196037125171.html

Some of Australia's biggest companies have joined forces with businesses worldwide to call on political leaders to forge a legally binding agreement on slashing greenhouse gas emissions.

Financial giants Macquarie Bank, Westpac, National Australian Bank and Insurance Australia Group plus Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation are among 150 companies which launched their united call ahead of next week's climate change summit in Bali.

The unprecedented alliance - which includes some of the world's largest corporations such as Shell, Coca Cola, Nike and Sony Ericsson - argues legally binding targets would give companies the certainty they need to pour money into addressing climate change issues and develop low carbon technologies.

And in a dramatic turnaround for some corporations, they want politicians to be guided by scientists when setting new greenhouse gas emission reduction targets to come into force after the Kyoto protocol expires in 2012.

In a communique to be presented to the Bali summit, the companies call for an "ambitious, international and comprehensive, legally binding United Nations agreement to reduce greenhouse gas emissions".
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Reply #7 - Nov 30th, 2007 at 4:17pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 30th, 2007 at 12:53pm:
They support the move because they agree with the majority of scientists and economists.



Aussies corporates join climate call

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Aussies-corporates-join-climate-call/2007/11/30/1196037125171.html

Some of Australia's biggest companies have joined forces with businesses worldwide to call on political leaders to forge a legally binding agreement on slashing greenhouse gas emissions.

Financial giants Macquarie Bank, Westpac, National Australian Bank and Insurance Australia Group plus Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation are among 150 companies which launched their united call ahead of next week's climate change summit in Bali.

The unprecedented alliance - which includes some of the world's largest corporations such as Shell, Coca Cola, Nike and Sony Ericsson - argues legally binding targets would give companies the certainty they need to pour money into addressing climate change issues and develop low carbon technologies.

And in a dramatic turnaround for some corporations, they want politicians to be guided by scientists when setting new greenhouse gas emission reduction targets to come into force after the Kyoto protocol expires in 2012.

In a communique to be presented to the Bali summit, the companies call for an "ambitious, international and comprehensive, legally binding United Nations agreement to reduce greenhouse gas emissions".


Now you have stopped listening and have started to hear corporatespeak.  You are going to need more critical analysis skills freediver.   Why would a bunch of giant corporations want to enforce such things?
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Reply #8 - Dec 1st, 2007 at 1:57pm
 
They know it was going to happen anyway when the public opion caught up with the scientists, the economists and the insurance people, and when the politicians caught up with public opinion. They know it will cost the economy more if you leave it too late to act and have ot change quickly.
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Reply #9 - Dec 1st, 2007 at 7:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2007 at 1:57pm:
They know it was going to happen anyway when the public opion caught up with the scientists, the economists and the insurance people, and when the politicians caught up with public opinion. They know it will cost the economy more if you leave it too late to act and have ot change quickly.


When you start listening to the banks, insurance conglomerates, Rupert Murdoch,  Shell, Coca Cola, Nike and Sony Ericsson on matters of ecological concern you have lost sight of ecological concern and have started to believe in greed.  Corporations love the new 'climate change' religion.  It has the potential to make vast profits for them all.
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Reply #10 - Dec 1st, 2007 at 8:41pm
 
So now you oppose action on climate change because people will make too much money from it?
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Reply #11 - Dec 1st, 2007 at 9:14pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 1st, 2007 at 8:41pm:
So now you oppose action on climate change because people will make too much money from it?


No.  I just do not expect the country's leaders to make decisions based on the urging of corporations.  Their motivation is not for the good of the country or its people.
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Reply #12 - Dec 2nd, 2007 at 11:45am
 
Fair enough, but when the only reason not to act is fearmongering from economic doomsayers, it says a lot when economists and big businesses are speaking up in favour of action and the last institution to act (or call for action) is the government.
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Reply #13 - Dec 2nd, 2007 at 2:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 2nd, 2007 at 11:45am:
Fair enough, but when the only reason not to act is fearmongering from economic doomsayers, it says a lot when economists and big businesses are speaking up in favour of action and the last institution to act (or call for action) is the government.


The corporations are speaking out in favour of profit.  I don't expect a government to care at all about what they say.
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Gillard defends decision to gag Garrett
Reply #14 - Dec 5th, 2007 at 3:24pm
 
You don't expect a government to care about at all about what business has to say? That sounds like something a hippy would say. I suppose you expect them to ignore economists as well and consult a palm reader instead.



Gillard defends decision to gag Garrett

http://www.smh.com.au/news/breaking-news/rudd-backs-swan-on-climate-change/2007/12/04/1196530671945.html

Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard has defended a decision to have the treasurer and not the environment minister Peter Garrett answer questions on climate change in the lower house.

Ms Gillard said climate change was an economic issue and the Treasurer Wayne Swan was in the best position to field questions on the issue in the House of Representatives.

A list of the Rudd ministry, issued by the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet this week, allocates "other chamber" responsibilities for the climate change and water portfolio - held by Senator Penny Wong - to Mr Swan.

Being a member of the upper house, Senator Wong will be unable to answer questions on climate change in the lower house.



NSW flags $70m climate change projects

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/NSW-flags-70m-climate-change-projects/2007/12/05/1196812805429.html

The NSW government has announced $70 million in funding for two climate change and renewable energy programs.

NSW Premier Morris Iemma said on Wednesday $40 million would be given to a Renewable Energy Development Program, aimed at encouraging new technologies from the drawing board to the market place.

"A low emission future depends on our capacity to generate clean, green energy and this program provides financial backing for new ideas and technologies," Mr Iemma said.

Schools, community centres, town halls and other public buildings would also be able to access a $30 million pool of funding for water and energy saving projects.

Mr Iemma said the two programs would be funded under the $340 million Climate Change Fund, established in July to target water, energy and greenhouse gas emissions savings.

Annually both projects would save 90,000 megawatt-hours of electricity, 96,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions, and two billion litres of water, the premier said.
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Reply #15 - Dec 5th, 2007 at 6:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2007 at 3:24pm:
You don't expect a government to care about at all about what business has to say? That sounds like something a hippy would say. I suppose you expect them to ignore economists as well and consult a palm reader instead.



I would have thought it sounded like something a practical realist would say myself.

Tell me freediver - do you think our government should determine policy based on what corporations think will make them a lot of money?
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Reply #16 - Dec 5th, 2007 at 8:41pm
 
I think they should take it into consideration.
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Reply #17 - Dec 5th, 2007 at 9:09pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2007 at 8:41pm:
I think they should take it into consideration.


I expect that's why workers got screwed during the Hawke Keating years yet business and its owners made a lot of money.  Hawke and Keating felt as you do.
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Reply #18 - Dec 6th, 2007 at 6:12am
 
It didn't take long for business to start profiteering from Liebor's, corporate oriented/taxpayer screwing, initiatives.  One day in fact.


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Climate Friendly gives Macquarie Capital a footprint in carbon market


MACQUARIE Capital Group has joined those becoming more active in the carbon market, buying 50% of climate change company Climate Friendly for an undisclosed sum.

The deal comes a day after Prime Minister Kevin Rudd ratified the Kyoto Protocol, which sets a legally binding emissions reduction target for Australia.

But Macquarie said it had been looking for some time to break into what it predicted "is about to become a very big market".

Climate Friendly, established in 2003, helps businesses and individuals adopt energy-efficiency targets and gain renewable energy carbon credits.

Oliver Yates, Macquarie's global head of climate change practice, said the partnership would link Climate Friendly with Macquarie's international contacts and help Macquarie get into the growing market.

"The timing looks opportunistic, but when you are getting into an acquisition of a business, it doesn't happen overnight," he said.

"We think this market is going to be significant and we think enabling ourselves to get a better understanding of it, and enabling our clients to participate in it, is in the best interests of ourselves, our clients, Climate Friendly and the environment."

Mr Yates said Mr Rudd's decision to ratify Kyoto would only strengthen Macquarie's position. "From an Australian side, that process will benefit the business," he said. "Corporates now need to directly focus on this issue. It can't be something that people ignore any longer."

Climate Friendly, which this year has traded about 70,000 tonnes of carbon, the equivalent of taking 15,000 cars off the road, said it expected growth to explode following the Kyoto ratification and through the synergies of the Macquarie deal.

Climate Friendly chief executive Joel Fleming said the business would operate in the voluntary carbon market as well as through mechanisms available through Kyoto. "We could be doing a million tonnes in a very short space of time and that is what is needed for us to solve this problem of climate change," he said.

"The benefit of Macquarie being involved is that they own a lot of assets and infrastructure and have a large global reach. This is the type of thing we needed to do to scale the business up globally."

Way to go Kevvy, make those shareholders rich at the workers expense



Freediver you will recall my warning of course?  Government should never sidle up to business, it is never Australians corporations have in mind when they urge such madness from suckers like Kevvy.

Kevvy is a commercial toddler stumbling into their arms it seems.  This is like 1983 and that loser Bob Hawke all over again - watch those companies grow.  The average Australians prosperity will vanish into the vaults of the banks as the energy bills increase in line with company profit.
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Australia 'failing' to protect climate
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Australia 'failing' to protect climate

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Australia-failing-to-protect-climate/2007/12/07/1196813000225.html

Australia has ranked third last in a new study that assessed how much or how little 56 countries have done to protect the climate.

The only nations that performed worse were the United States, which finished second last, and Saudi Arabia, in last place.

The environmental group Germanwatch took aim at Australia's "very poor" performance in its latest Climate Change Performance Index (CCPI), having slipped to 54th position from 47th last year.

The latest index evaluates and compares the climate protection performance of the 56 countries that are responsible for 90 per cent of energy-related carbon dioxide emissions.

"Australia increased its energy-related emissions by 42 per cent between 1990 and 2005.

"The country will only upgrade its position in the index if the newly-elected (prime minister) Kevin Rudd will keep his promises and realise a serious climate protection agenda."

Labor does have a 2050 target of cutting greenhouse gas pollution by 60 per cent, but plans to wait for a report next year by economist Ross Garnaut before setting shorter term goals.

"The results illustrate that even if all countries engaged in the same manner, current efforts would still be insufficient to prevent dangerous climate change," it said.



Academic seeks 100% greenhouse target

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Academic-seeks-100-greenhouse-target/2007/12/07/1196812991594.html

Nations need to cut greenhouse pollution by 50 per cent by 2025 and 100 per cent by 2050 to avoid climatic disaster, an academic says.

Climate change researcher Ian McGregor said the kind of emissions cuts being discussed at the UN conference on Bali would fail to avert catastrophic climate change.

Mr McGregor, a lecturer in strategic management and sustainable business at the University of Technology Sydney, said recent developments in the Arctic showed the world was in much deeper trouble than first thought.



Swan giving climate report more help

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Swan-giving-climate-report-more-help/2007/12/07/1196812968691.html

The climate change report the federal government will use to set interim carbon emissions reduction targets will progress much more quickly now that Labor is in government, Treasurer Wayne Swan says.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has distanced himself from the Australian delegation to the Bali climate change talks after it voiced support for a 25 to 40 per cent cut in greenhouse gases by 2020.

"Previously, Ross Garnaut had been working only with state governments and now we can bring to bear the full force of the federal treasury and the whole federal public service to map out the safest economic pathway to reach that goal," Mr Swan told ABC radio.
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Reply #20 - Dec 7th, 2007 at 7:36pm
 
Kevvy has set Australia up for failure already on this matter.  Didn't take him long to start furiously back pedalling.

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EVEN before he gets to Bali for crucial climate change talks, Kevin Rudd has found himself embroiled in the complex world of global warming politics.  The Prime Minister yesterday attempted to clarify a statement from the Australian delegation in Bali, which said Australia "fully supports" an earlier decision for developed countries to examine cutting greenhouse emissions by between 25 per cent and 40 per cent by 2020.

That stance suggested Australia was prepared to radically cut its emissions, forcing Mr Rudd and his Climate Change Minister, Penny Wong, to issue statements stressing that Australia was not yet committing itself to any 2020 targets.  Mr Rudd said some countries had indicated "they do not necessarily accept those targets, nor do they accept those targets as binding targets for themselves". He added: "That is also the position of the Australian Government."

But by playing down the need for Australia to commit to the deeper cuts in its greenhouse gas emissions, Mr Rudd could find himself in conflict with the leading players at the Bali talks, including China and India.

The emissions cuts are considered crucial by many scientists if the world is to avoid dangerous climate change. More than 200 scientists - led by Australian experts - yesterday called on nations at the Bali talks to launch an agreement that would stop the global temperature from rising by more than 2 degrees.

The call, by scientists from more than 20 countries, was spearheaded by Professor Matthew England and Andy Pitman from the University of NSW.  Professor England warned that if the soaring increase in emissions was not halted soon, "our coasts and cities will be threatened by rising sea levels and many plants and animal species will be in serious danger of extinction".


The head of the UN climate team, Yvo de Boer, said in Bali yesterday the suggested cuts were in the range needed if climate change was going to be brought under control.  Speaking after meeting the developed countries, Mr de Boer said: "I think it is clear to everyone that industrialised countries will have to continue to take the lead … [They] will have to reduce their emissions somewhere between 25 per cent and 40 per cent by 2020. So that's an agreed range for industrialised countries."

Kevvy sets himself up for a fall

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Reply #21 - Dec 7th, 2007 at 7:41pm
 
"Kevvy sets himself up for a fall that all Australians will pay for through the nose"

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Reply #22 - Dec 7th, 2007 at 7:51pm
 
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Good tactic Brendan.  The sooner Australia sees the reality of the Rudd policies the sooner we will return to a coalition government.  He's taking the same approach as Joe Hockey.  It's a terrible pity Australians will pay the price but when the majority make the mistake they just did then unfortunately they have to take the responsibility for the damage it causes to their fellow Australians.

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Gathered that already DT..you and IQ crying in your soup..time to move on. Getting a bit sad. Roll Eyes


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Reply #23 - Dec 7th, 2007 at 7:54pm
 
So no comment on Kevvy's backpedalling Mel?

Surely you should be livid that he is not sticking to what you morons elected him for?
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oceanz wrote on Dec 7th, 2007 at 7:51pm:
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Good tactic Brendan.  The sooner Australia sees the reality of the Rudd policies the sooner we will return to a coalition government.  He's taking the same approach as Joe Hockey.  It's a terrible pity Australians will pay the price but when the majority make the mistake they just did then unfortunately they have to take the responsibility for the damage it causes to their fellow Australians.

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Gathered that already DT..you and IQ crying in your soup..time to move on. Getting a bit sad. Roll Eyes




I'm terribly sad oceans.  I did try and warn Australians from being foolhardy but many of them went and voted for Little Kevvy anyway.  Why don't people listen to reason oceans?

Instead we have become a laughing stock.  A country with a Prime Minister with a peculiar and somewhat distasteful habit.

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New Australian PM woos voters - by picking his earwax and eating it

After a video revealing his unsavoury personal habits, and the revelation that he had paid a drunken visit to a strip club, some thought Kevin Rudd's chances of becoming prime minister had been scuppered.

But this being Australia, the opposite proved to be the case.

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Reply #25 - Dec 8th, 2007 at 1:01am
 
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New Australian PM woos voters - by picking his earwax and eating it

After a video revealing his unsavoury personal habits, and the revelation that he had paid a drunken visit to a strip club, some thought Kevin Rudd's chances of becoming prime minister had been scuppered.

But this being Australia, the opposite proved to be the case.

Now THIS is sad


No DT that is very trifling and as Id pegged you for an intelligent worldly kind of guy it surprises me when you focus on such things to be honest.
As for any back pedalling PM Rudd may or may not be doing..I think we have to trust him to make the right decision. He will.

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oceanz wrote on Dec 8th, 2007 at 1:01am:
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New Australian PM woos voters - by picking his earwax and eating it

After a video revealing his unsavoury personal habits, and the revelation that he had paid a drunken visit to a strip club, some thought Kevin Rudd's chances of becoming prime minister had been scuppered.

But this being Australia, the opposite proved to be the case.

Now THIS is sad


No DT that is very trifling and as Id pegged you for an intelligent worldly kind of guy it surprises me when you focus on such things to be honest.
As for any back pedalling PM Rudd may or may not be doing..I think we have to trust him to make the right decision. He will.



That copy is from the UK's Daily Mail oceans.  When the rest of the world is pointing and laughing at us because of our chosen  PM's lack of sophistication it is something to be concerned about.  The last time the world's press thought we were a backward race of ill-mannered oafs was when Cheating was PM and he was dubbed the "Lizard of Oz" by the British Press after he man-handled the Head Of State in a remarkable display of ignorance of etiquette and protocol.

Sadly Liebor PM's always make us look simple minded and foolish in the eyes of the world and that is a bit sad - even you must admit that.  When we have progressed so far forward on the world's stage with Johnny leading the way it is sad to have it undone by the type of person who fills you with revulsion as he picks bodily waste out of his orifices and eats it.

Fortunately Britain has a Liebor government and they are fond of ingesting lumps they have found in their holes and things too.  Nose picking can be fun too

Kevvy, as a leftard, comes from similar stock.
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Reply #27 - Dec 9th, 2007 at 5:51pm
 
Here's an interesting article from June of 2007 which shows the reeking hypocrisy of the Liebor Party.

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Labor leader Kevin Rudd has attacked the Federal Government's 11-year record on climate change in his speech to the Western Australian Labor Party's state conference in Perth.

Mr Rudd has accused Prime Minister John Howard and Treasurer Peter Costello of a complete lack of leadership on the issue.

He has used much of his speech to attack Mr Howard for failing to commit to a long-term target to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

"Mr Howard doesn't recognise the urgency of climate change," he said.

Labor has committed to a carbon reduction target of 60 per cent by 2050.

Did you say urgent Kevvy?  2050 is over 40 years away



And around the same time Backflip was blabbing on about 'inaction'.



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Report mandates inaction on climate change: Labor


The Federal Opposition says the report on carbon trading from a task force hand picked by the Prime Minister has given the Government a mandate to delay action on climate change.

John Howard's carbon emissions task force yesterday delivered their report into a national carbon trading scheme, which recommends emissions trading could be introduced by 2012, two years later than Labor's proposed scheme.

The report calls for a wide ranging scheme including electricity and transport, but it has not said what the target should be for cutting emissions.

But Peter Shergold, who headed the task force, concedes the scheme would bring down emissions, but if it is implemented it would cut economic growth and mean higher petrol and electricity costs.

The Federal Government is considering the report.

But the Opposition's environment spokesman Peter Garrett says the report encourages inaction on climate change.

Inaction Backflip?  You mean like Kevvy's lack of action on targets for 2020?



See, Kevvy fancies himself as a 'fresh thinker' yet he is backpedalling like buggery over the targets for 2020 and somehow thinks 2050 is taking urgent action.  He'll likely be in a grave by then.

And Garret levelled charges against the coaltion that he could easily charge his own party with now.  After all what is it Kevvy is waiting for?  Oh that's right - a report, just like the coalition was.

What a pack of amnesiac hypocrites.
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Reply #28 - Dec 9th, 2007 at 7:21pm
 
They're a laugh a minute the dim-witted Liebor Party toddlers.  While Kevvy is fast disappearing up his own crappity smacker Simon Crean is getting in the act and showing how stupid he really is.  Listen to this twaddle, no doubt gleaned from an economist.


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Crean tells China, India to make tough emission cuts



Trade Minister Simon Crean says developing countries like China and India must agree to binding commitments before Australia agrees to a new Kyoto agreement beyond 2012.

Last week the Australian delegation indicated it supported a 25 to 40 per cent cut in emissions for developed countries beyond 2012.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said it was not the Government's position.

Mr Crean, who is in Bali for trade talks today, says developing countries must agree to binding commitments before Australia commits.

"Australia's task is at the appropriate time to commit to targets but it's also to try and secure binding commitments from developing countries," he said.

"We all know the environmental imperative of facing up to the challenge of climate change."

Mr Crean said Australia was not going to sign up to any binding commitments on battling climate change until they had the results of a report commissioned by Mr Rudd's climate change economic specialist, expected next year.

The European Union, developing countries led by China, and environmental activists are urging the rich world to commit to reducing their polluting greenhouse gas emissions by 25 to 40 percent by 2020.

But Mr Crean said that promises by rich countries alone to cut carbon dioxide emissions would not solve global warming.

Ummmm Simon old boy - why should they commit to anything - your lot won't!!!



See Simon reckons that China and India should do something that Liebor won't, and yet China and India don't need to do anything much at all according to the Kyoto Protocol.  Perhaps the silly crappsmackitty ballfiddlers didn't know what they signed while the rest of Australia knew quite clearly.

And what's that last bit Simon?  Promises by rich countries alone to cut carbon dioxide emissions would not solve global warming?  Really?  But why should the world have suddenly changed Simon.  Wasn't it like that before you silly bumfiddling crappers signed the document you didn't understand?

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Reply #29 - Dec 9th, 2007 at 7:47pm
 
As each day emerges, it seems plain to see that Howard was correct in not signing this daft protocol

Yet because of the LW PR machine in the lead up to an election, we are all doomed to pay for the idiocy of those who fail to recognise when they are being sold a lemon
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Reply #30 - Dec 13th, 2007 at 2:31pm
 
Poll shows support for climate action

http://news.smh.com.au/poll-shows-support-for-climate-action/20071213-1grm.html

An overwhelming 86 per cent of Australians say the new Rudd government should move swiftly to cut the nation's greenhouse gas emissions, a new poll shows.

The Greenpeace-commissioned Newspoll survey, which polled 1,202 adults early this month, also found strong support for phasing out and replacing the nation's coal-fired power stations with renewable energy sources by 2010.

Seventy seven per cent also said the government should begin phasing out existing coal-fired power stations and replacing them with renewable energy generation by 2010.

When asked about Australia's export coal industry, 73 per cent of respondents said coal exports should be capped or reduced.

He said Labor's existing climate policies would see Australia's total emissions increase to 15 per cent over 1990 levels by 2020, and instead cuts of 25 to 40 per cent were needed to prevent global warming from "topping the danger threshold".



Emissions goals bedevil climate talks

http://news.smh.com.au/emissions-goals-bedevil-climate-talks/20071213-1gvh.html

Delegates at climate talks in Bali are working to break a deadlock over US-led opposition to tough guidelines for developed nations to cut greenhouse gas emissions by 2020.

The non-binding range of 25-40 per cent cuts from 1990 levels by 2020 remains in draft text but the United States, Australia, Canada and others are opposed to these numbers, angering developing nations, whose own emissions are rising rapidly.

"Most countries want a binding range for the rich nations," said a developing nation delegate.



World demands breakthrough, UN chief tells deadlocked climate talks

http://news.smh.com.au/world-demands-breakthrough-un-chief-tells-deadlocked-climate-talks/20071212-1gqs.html

UN chief Ban Ki-moon on Wednesday demanded a breakthrough from the Bali talks on framing an answer to climate change, but weary negotiators admitted this goal seemed elusive.

Environment ministers or their stand-ins from more than 180 countries have until Friday to agree a framework for tackling global warming past 2012, when pledges under the Kyoto Protocol expire.

"If we leave Bali without such a breakthrough, we will not only have failed our leaders but also those who look to us to find solutions, namely the peoples of this world," Ban said.
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How strange - the world too is discovering Kevvy lies.
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Coalition backs draft Bali roadmap
Reply #32 - Dec 14th, 2007 at 12:09pm
 
Coalition backs draft Bali roadmap

http://news.smh.com.au/coalition-backs-draft-bali-roadmap/20071214-1h2p.html

The federal opposition has gone ahead of the Rudd government by declaring its support for the draft roadmap at the Bali climate-change talks - including deep greenhouse-gas emission cuts.



Climate change talks lurch into final day after Gore blasts US

http://news.smh.com.au/climate-change-talks-lurch-into-final-day-after-gore-blasts-us/20071214-1gzl.html

Al Gore on Thursday delivered a rousing call for the world to fight against climate change without the United States, which he accused of blocking tactics at the key UN conference in Bali.

Exhausted negotiators at the Indonesian resort island grappled over deadlocked text early Friday, just hours before the talks were scheduled to conclude.

But delegates questioned by AFP saw little hope of any early breakthrough on the biggest problem

http://news.smh.com.au/al-gore-urges-divided-un-climate-meet-to-ignore-us/20071213-1gwg.html



EU criticises Australia over Bali talks

http://news.smh.com.au/eu-criticises-australia-over-bali-talks/20071213-1gr1.html

The European Union criticised Australia over its apparent ambiguity in the key United Nations talks underway in Bali.

Negotiations are intensifying as nations try to reach agreement on a Bali roadmap to pave the way for a future global pact to fight climate change in two years time.

A key sticking point has been whether or not to include a non-binding guideline that rich countries aim to slash global greenhouse gas emissions by 25 to 40 per cent on 1990 levels by 2020.
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I'm afraid all I can do is repeat myself. 

deepthought wrote on Dec 13th, 2007 at 5:39pm:
How strange - the world too is discovering Kevvy lies.



Kevvy's full of bullstesticles.
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Rudd again calls on US to ratify Kyoto
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Rudd again calls on US to ratify Kyoto

http://news.smh.com.au/rudd-again-calls-on-us-to-ratify-kyoto/20080117-1mju.html

Australia has again called on the US to ratify the Kyoto protocol ahead of its presence at a second round of climate change talks.

US President George W Bush has invited Australia, Brazil, Britain, Canada, China, the European Union, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Russia, South Africa, South Korea and the United Nations to send representatives to the January 30-31 meeting in Hawaii.

The meeting will discuss reducing greenhouse gas emissions, increasing energy security and efficiency and sustaining economic growth for the world's major economies.

The talks will also discuss voluntary measures for helping poor countries acquire cleaner technology that would help them to stem their own greenhouse gas pollution.

Mr Rudd said Climate Change Minister Senator Penny Wong would represent Australia.



Govts discuss renewable energy targets

http://news.smh.com.au/govts-discuss-renewable-energy-targets/20080306-1xfv.html

The federal and state governments have taken another step towards unifying renewable energy targets, federal Climate Change Minister Penny Wong says.

After a meeting of climate change ministers in Sydney on Thursday, Senator Wong said the governments would next consider a plan to implement the Renewable Energy Target by next year.

The national scheme is aimed at reducing greenhouse gases by ensuring 20 per cent of electricity is generated by renewable energy sources by 2020.



Australia and PNG sign forests pact

http://news.smh.com.au/australia-and-png-sign-forests-pact/20080306-1x9m.html

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and his Papua New Guinea counterpart Michael Somare have signed a pact to protect forests and reduce carbon emissions.

The agreement was signed at talks involving the two leaders in Port Moresby on Thursday.

Under the pact, a carbon trading scheme will be developed that can be linked to international markets.
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