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freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2007 at 3:24pm:
You don't expect a government to care about at all about what business has to say? That sounds like something a hippy would say. I suppose you expect them to ignore economists as well and consult a palm reader instead.



I would have thought it sounded like something a practical realist would say myself.

Tell me freediver - do you think our government should determine policy based on what corporations think will make them a lot of money?
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Re: Bipartisan support for Kyoto - thanks Nelson
Reply #16 - Dec 5th, 2007 at 8:41pm
 
I think they should take it into consideration.
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Re: Bipartisan support for Kyoto - thanks Nelson
Reply #17 - Dec 5th, 2007 at 9:09pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 5th, 2007 at 8:41pm:
I think they should take it into consideration.


I expect that's why workers got screwed during the Hawke Keating years yet business and its owners made a lot of money.  Hawke and Keating felt as you do.
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Re: Bipartisan support for Kyoto - thanks Nelson
Reply #18 - Dec 6th, 2007 at 6:12am
 
It didn't take long for business to start profiteering from Liebor's, corporate oriented/taxpayer screwing, initiatives.  One day in fact.


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Climate Friendly gives Macquarie Capital a footprint in carbon market


MACQUARIE Capital Group has joined those becoming more active in the carbon market, buying 50% of climate change company Climate Friendly for an undisclosed sum.

The deal comes a day after Prime Minister Kevin Rudd ratified the Kyoto Protocol, which sets a legally binding emissions reduction target for Australia.

But Macquarie said it had been looking for some time to break into what it predicted "is about to become a very big market".

Climate Friendly, established in 2003, helps businesses and individuals adopt energy-efficiency targets and gain renewable energy carbon credits.

Oliver Yates, Macquarie's global head of climate change practice, said the partnership would link Climate Friendly with Macquarie's international contacts and help Macquarie get into the growing market.

"The timing looks opportunistic, but when you are getting into an acquisition of a business, it doesn't happen overnight," he said.

"We think this market is going to be significant and we think enabling ourselves to get a better understanding of it, and enabling our clients to participate in it, is in the best interests of ourselves, our clients, Climate Friendly and the environment."

Mr Yates said Mr Rudd's decision to ratify Kyoto would only strengthen Macquarie's position. "From an Australian side, that process will benefit the business," he said. "Corporates now need to directly focus on this issue. It can't be something that people ignore any longer."

Climate Friendly, which this year has traded about 70,000 tonnes of carbon, the equivalent of taking 15,000 cars off the road, said it expected growth to explode following the Kyoto ratification and through the synergies of the Macquarie deal.

Climate Friendly chief executive Joel Fleming said the business would operate in the voluntary carbon market as well as through mechanisms available through Kyoto. "We could be doing a million tonnes in a very short space of time and that is what is needed for us to solve this problem of climate change," he said.

"The benefit of Macquarie being involved is that they own a lot of assets and infrastructure and have a large global reach. This is the type of thing we needed to do to scale the business up globally."

Way to go Kevvy, make those shareholders rich at the workers expense



Freediver you will recall my warning of course?  Government should never sidle up to business, it is never Australians corporations have in mind when they urge such madness from suckers like Kevvy.

Kevvy is a commercial toddler stumbling into their arms it seems.  This is like 1983 and that loser Bob Hawke all over again - watch those companies grow.  The average Australians prosperity will vanish into the vaults of the banks as the energy bills increase in line with company profit.
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Australia 'failing' to protect climate
Reply #19 - Dec 7th, 2007 at 6:34pm
 
Australia 'failing' to protect climate

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Australia-failing-to-protect-climate/2007/12/07/1196813000225.html

Australia has ranked third last in a new study that assessed how much or how little 56 countries have done to protect the climate.

The only nations that performed worse were the United States, which finished second last, and Saudi Arabia, in last place.

The environmental group Germanwatch took aim at Australia's "very poor" performance in its latest Climate Change Performance Index (CCPI), having slipped to 54th position from 47th last year.

The latest index evaluates and compares the climate protection performance of the 56 countries that are responsible for 90 per cent of energy-related carbon dioxide emissions.

"Australia increased its energy-related emissions by 42 per cent between 1990 and 2005.

"The country will only upgrade its position in the index if the newly-elected (prime minister) Kevin Rudd will keep his promises and realise a serious climate protection agenda."

Labor does have a 2050 target of cutting greenhouse gas pollution by 60 per cent, but plans to wait for a report next year by economist Ross Garnaut before setting shorter term goals.

"The results illustrate that even if all countries engaged in the same manner, current efforts would still be insufficient to prevent dangerous climate change," it said.



Academic seeks 100% greenhouse target

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Academic-seeks-100-greenhouse-target/2007/12/07/1196812991594.html

Nations need to cut greenhouse pollution by 50 per cent by 2025 and 100 per cent by 2050 to avoid climatic disaster, an academic says.

Climate change researcher Ian McGregor said the kind of emissions cuts being discussed at the UN conference on Bali would fail to avert catastrophic climate change.

Mr McGregor, a lecturer in strategic management and sustainable business at the University of Technology Sydney, said recent developments in the Arctic showed the world was in much deeper trouble than first thought.



Swan giving climate report more help

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Swan-giving-climate-report-more-help/2007/12/07/1196812968691.html

The climate change report the federal government will use to set interim carbon emissions reduction targets will progress much more quickly now that Labor is in government, Treasurer Wayne Swan says.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has distanced himself from the Australian delegation to the Bali climate change talks after it voiced support for a 25 to 40 per cent cut in greenhouse gases by 2020.

"Previously, Ross Garnaut had been working only with state governments and now we can bring to bear the full force of the federal treasury and the whole federal public service to map out the safest economic pathway to reach that goal," Mr Swan told ABC radio.
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Re: Bipartisan support for Kyoto - thanks Nelson
Reply #20 - Dec 7th, 2007 at 7:36pm
 
Kevvy has set Australia up for failure already on this matter.  Didn't take him long to start furiously back pedalling.

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Just warming up, but Rudd already feels Bali heat


EVEN before he gets to Bali for crucial climate change talks, Kevin Rudd has found himself embroiled in the complex world of global warming politics.  The Prime Minister yesterday attempted to clarify a statement from the Australian delegation in Bali, which said Australia "fully supports" an earlier decision for developed countries to examine cutting greenhouse emissions by between 25 per cent and 40 per cent by 2020.

That stance suggested Australia was prepared to radically cut its emissions, forcing Mr Rudd and his Climate Change Minister, Penny Wong, to issue statements stressing that Australia was not yet committing itself to any 2020 targets.  Mr Rudd said some countries had indicated "they do not necessarily accept those targets, nor do they accept those targets as binding targets for themselves". He added: "That is also the position of the Australian Government."

But by playing down the need for Australia to commit to the deeper cuts in its greenhouse gas emissions, Mr Rudd could find himself in conflict with the leading players at the Bali talks, including China and India.

The emissions cuts are considered crucial by many scientists if the world is to avoid dangerous climate change. More than 200 scientists - led by Australian experts - yesterday called on nations at the Bali talks to launch an agreement that would stop the global temperature from rising by more than 2 degrees.

The call, by scientists from more than 20 countries, was spearheaded by Professor Matthew England and Andy Pitman from the University of NSW.  Professor England warned that if the soaring increase in emissions was not halted soon, "our coasts and cities will be threatened by rising sea levels and many plants and animal species will be in serious danger of extinction".


The head of the UN climate team, Yvo de Boer, said in Bali yesterday the suggested cuts were in the range needed if climate change was going to be brought under control.  Speaking after meeting the developed countries, Mr de Boer said: "I think it is clear to everyone that industrialised countries will have to continue to take the lead … [They] will have to reduce their emissions somewhere between 25 per cent and 40 per cent by 2020. So that's an agreed range for industrialised countries."

Kevvy sets himself up for a fall

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Re: Bipartisan support for Kyoto - thanks Nelson
Reply #21 - Dec 7th, 2007 at 7:41pm
 
"Kevvy sets himself up for a fall that all Australians will pay for through the nose"

....more to the point
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Reply #22 - Dec 7th, 2007 at 7:51pm
 
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Good tactic Brendan.  The sooner Australia sees the reality of the Rudd policies the sooner we will return to a coalition government.  He's taking the same approach as Joe Hockey.  It's a terrible pity Australians will pay the price but when the majority make the mistake they just did then unfortunately they have to take the responsibility for the damage it causes to their fellow Australians.

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Gathered that already DT..you and IQ crying in your soup..time to move on. Getting a bit sad. Roll Eyes


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Re: Bipartisan support for Kyoto - thanks Nelson
Reply #23 - Dec 7th, 2007 at 7:54pm
 
So no comment on Kevvy's backpedalling Mel?

Surely you should be livid that he is not sticking to what you morons elected him for?
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Re: Bipartisan support for Kyoto - thanks Nelson
Reply #24 - Dec 7th, 2007 at 8:12pm
 
oceanz wrote on Dec 7th, 2007 at 7:51pm:
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Good tactic Brendan.  The sooner Australia sees the reality of the Rudd policies the sooner we will return to a coalition government.  He's taking the same approach as Joe Hockey.  It's a terrible pity Australians will pay the price but when the majority make the mistake they just did then unfortunately they have to take the responsibility for the damage it causes to their fellow Australians.

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Gathered that already DT..you and IQ crying in your soup..time to move on. Getting a bit sad. Roll Eyes




I'm terribly sad oceans.  I did try and warn Australians from being foolhardy but many of them went and voted for Little Kevvy anyway.  Why don't people listen to reason oceans?

Instead we have become a laughing stock.  A country with a Prime Minister with a peculiar and somewhat distasteful habit.

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New Australian PM woos voters - by picking his earwax and eating it

After a video revealing his unsavoury personal habits, and the revelation that he had paid a drunken visit to a strip club, some thought Kevin Rudd's chances of becoming prime minister had been scuppered.

But this being Australia, the opposite proved to be the case.

Now THIS is sad

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Reply #25 - Dec 8th, 2007 at 1:01am
 
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New Australian PM woos voters - by picking his earwax and eating it

After a video revealing his unsavoury personal habits, and the revelation that he had paid a drunken visit to a strip club, some thought Kevin Rudd's chances of becoming prime minister had been scuppered.

But this being Australia, the opposite proved to be the case.

Now THIS is sad


No DT that is very trifling and as Id pegged you for an intelligent worldly kind of guy it surprises me when you focus on such things to be honest.
As for any back pedalling PM Rudd may or may not be doing..I think we have to trust him to make the right decision. He will.

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Re: Bipartisan support for Kyoto - thanks Nelson
Reply #26 - Dec 8th, 2007 at 5:48am
 
oceanz wrote on Dec 8th, 2007 at 1:01am:
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New Australian PM woos voters - by picking his earwax and eating it

After a video revealing his unsavoury personal habits, and the revelation that he had paid a drunken visit to a strip club, some thought Kevin Rudd's chances of becoming prime minister had been scuppered.

But this being Australia, the opposite proved to be the case.

Now THIS is sad


No DT that is very trifling and as Id pegged you for an intelligent worldly kind of guy it surprises me when you focus on such things to be honest.
As for any back pedalling PM Rudd may or may not be doing..I think we have to trust him to make the right decision. He will.



That copy is from the UK's Daily Mail oceans.  When the rest of the world is pointing and laughing at us because of our chosen  PM's lack of sophistication it is something to be concerned about.  The last time the world's press thought we were a backward race of ill-mannered oafs was when Cheating was PM and he was dubbed the "Lizard of Oz" by the British Press after he man-handled the Head Of State in a remarkable display of ignorance of etiquette and protocol.

Sadly Liebor PM's always make us look simple minded and foolish in the eyes of the world and that is a bit sad - even you must admit that.  When we have progressed so far forward on the world's stage with Johnny leading the way it is sad to have it undone by the type of person who fills you with revulsion as he picks bodily waste out of his orifices and eats it.

Fortunately Britain has a Liebor government and they are fond of ingesting lumps they have found in their holes and things too.  Nose picking can be fun too

Kevvy, as a leftard, comes from similar stock.
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Reply #27 - Dec 9th, 2007 at 5:51pm
 
Here's an interesting article from June of 2007 which shows the reeking hypocrisy of the Liebor Party.

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Govt failing on climate change: Rudd


Labor leader Kevin Rudd has attacked the Federal Government's 11-year record on climate change in his speech to the Western Australian Labor Party's state conference in Perth.

Mr Rudd has accused Prime Minister John Howard and Treasurer Peter Costello of a complete lack of leadership on the issue.

He has used much of his speech to attack Mr Howard for failing to commit to a long-term target to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

"Mr Howard doesn't recognise the urgency of climate change," he said.

Labor has committed to a carbon reduction target of 60 per cent by 2050.

Did you say urgent Kevvy?  2050 is over 40 years away



And around the same time Backflip was blabbing on about 'inaction'.



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Report mandates inaction on climate change: Labor


The Federal Opposition says the report on carbon trading from a task force hand picked by the Prime Minister has given the Government a mandate to delay action on climate change.

John Howard's carbon emissions task force yesterday delivered their report into a national carbon trading scheme, which recommends emissions trading could be introduced by 2012, two years later than Labor's proposed scheme.

The report calls for a wide ranging scheme including electricity and transport, but it has not said what the target should be for cutting emissions.

But Peter Shergold, who headed the task force, concedes the scheme would bring down emissions, but if it is implemented it would cut economic growth and mean higher petrol and electricity costs.

The Federal Government is considering the report.

But the Opposition's environment spokesman Peter Garrett says the report encourages inaction on climate change.

Inaction Backflip?  You mean like Kevvy's lack of action on targets for 2020?



See, Kevvy fancies himself as a 'fresh thinker' yet he is backpedalling like buggery over the targets for 2020 and somehow thinks 2050 is taking urgent action.  He'll likely be in a grave by then.

And Garret levelled charges against the coaltion that he could easily charge his own party with now.  After all what is it Kevvy is waiting for?  Oh that's right - a report, just like the coalition was.

What a pack of amnesiac hypocrites.
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Reply #28 - Dec 9th, 2007 at 7:21pm
 
They're a laugh a minute the dim-witted Liebor Party toddlers.  While Kevvy is fast disappearing up his own crappity smacker Simon Crean is getting in the act and showing how stupid he really is.  Listen to this twaddle, no doubt gleaned from an economist.


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Crean tells China, India to make tough emission cuts



Trade Minister Simon Crean says developing countries like China and India must agree to binding commitments before Australia agrees to a new Kyoto agreement beyond 2012.

Last week the Australian delegation indicated it supported a 25 to 40 per cent cut in emissions for developed countries beyond 2012.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said it was not the Government's position.

Mr Crean, who is in Bali for trade talks today, says developing countries must agree to binding commitments before Australia commits.

"Australia's task is at the appropriate time to commit to targets but it's also to try and secure binding commitments from developing countries," he said.

"We all know the environmental imperative of facing up to the challenge of climate change."

Mr Crean said Australia was not going to sign up to any binding commitments on battling climate change until they had the results of a report commissioned by Mr Rudd's climate change economic specialist, expected next year.

The European Union, developing countries led by China, and environmental activists are urging the rich world to commit to reducing their polluting greenhouse gas emissions by 25 to 40 percent by 2020.

But Mr Crean said that promises by rich countries alone to cut carbon dioxide emissions would not solve global warming.

Ummmm Simon old boy - why should they commit to anything - your lot won't!!!



See Simon reckons that China and India should do something that Liebor won't, and yet China and India don't need to do anything much at all according to the Kyoto Protocol.  Perhaps the silly crappsmackitty ballfiddlers didn't know what they signed while the rest of Australia knew quite clearly.

And what's that last bit Simon?  Promises by rich countries alone to cut carbon dioxide emissions would not solve global warming?  Really?  But why should the world have suddenly changed Simon.  Wasn't it like that before you silly bumfiddling crappers signed the document you didn't understand?

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Re: Bipartisan support for Kyoto - thanks Nelson
Reply #29 - Dec 9th, 2007 at 7:47pm
 
As each day emerges, it seems plain to see that Howard was correct in not signing this daft protocol

Yet because of the LW PR machine in the lead up to an election, we are all doomed to pay for the idiocy of those who fail to recognise when they are being sold a lemon
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