What details ? he does not give any, nor answer any questions

freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2007 at 9:38am:


Well he's opposed to the idea of regional run (by boards) hospitals and as the current system is in chaos what does he propose?  He doesn't say but I guess he means throwing more buckets of money at the problem and hope it goes away.

Education revolution menas chucking vast sums of money at Technical Colleges while the world cries out for university educated dudes.  And allocating enough funds to child care which works out to about the price of a lunch a week for every child care worker.

Climate change is some plan to do something 40 years from now - a target he hopes to meet (but doesn't say how) in 2050.  And he will ratify the Kyoto Treaty which could see all our unskilled jobs go offshore to China and India.

His historical 'water plan' was to do nothing because dam building upset voters so the future is likely to be the same.

And by getting rid of workchoices he will re-create the army of casual workers with no security and no future that Keating created before and he will increase unemployment dramatically.

Yep, I agree freediver.  It all looks pretty good to an ALP supporter who doesn't care about ordinary Australians as long as the unions and Liebor cronies are happy.

It's especially ahrd to justify given China's massive investment in wind energy.

Massive according to who and in relation to what?

For starters, compared to Austrralia's investment.

How about a per capita/ KW comparison then...if it is on the 'massive' scale

try the Australian wind energy comapnies who are taking their jobs over to China because of economies of scale

I fixed that one for you

What rot

You stated
the Australian wind energy comapnies who are taking their jobs over to China

The reason for this is economies of scale

We aren't taking our coal fired plants over to China because of economies of scale.

What sort of strawman argument is that? Aside from that fact that China will be pulling online more coal fired plants in the next few years than what your beloved Kyoto protocol could ever hope to counteract.

The Howard government killed off the Australian wind power industry. It's as simple as that.

Pray tell oh environmental saviour?

  Howard's fear has been that Kyoto would put out the flame of his flickering little economy.
  It will have a wet blanket effect for sure. But our economy with the right people in charge
  would be unstoppable.

  Australia is a country that hasn't happened yet.
     
  To get it happening we must put a new party into parliment.

What I'm saying is if 3.whatever percent  growth was the best the colonial conservatives could do, Labor will probaly
manage only half of that under Kyoto.

A new party is needed, a party that has a real plan for the country.

A plan that the Sustainability party will come up with in time.

The reason for this is economies of scale

No it isn't. This is just stupid. Coal fired plants are more suited to alrger scale setups. The economies of scale argument works in the opposite direction. It is Howard government policy that is destroying our wind industry.

What sort of strawman argument is that?

It is an absurd thing to say - but no more absurd than claiming that economies of scale are sending our wind energy jobs overseas. The fact that we are even discussing economies of scale in this context is absurd.

Pray tell oh environmental saviour?

They federalised the states MRET system. The states established a wind energy industry. Howard destroyed it. This is well known.

http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/ecita_ctte/renewableenergy/report/d03.htm

The Government's failure to implement recommendations 8 and 9 of the Tambling report (to increase and extend MRET) in this Bill is economically, socially and environmentally irresponsible and short-sighted.

In addition to potential job losses submitters also indicated that because of the Government's failure to provide business certainty companies and investors are moving offshore resulting in billions of dollars of lost investment in Australia. This is criminal given Australians widening trade and current account deficit gap.

The Australian Wind Energy Association cited in their submission a number of examples of investors going offshore as a result of Government inaction:

The investment cliff is also clearly demonstrated by the amount of investment that is proceeding offshore to countries and regions providing market incentives for the renewable energy sector.

Are you aware that wind energy power generation is considerably more costly than many other forms and that it can not be relied upon for base load?

Of course it is more expensive or we would have been using them already. Under a distributed system thay can support significant base load. Base load is also not fixed - there are plenty of economic mechanisms that are already used to adjust electricity consumption.