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Reply #15 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 8:04am
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 12:47am:
Ajax wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 10:31pm:
In a nut shell the bottom line is a hand full of very rich, powerful and greedy men want to charge the rest of us fro the air that we breathe.

No other cause can recruit soldiers like the environment does, they know it and have taken advantage of it.

CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth all one has to do is look into our history, for if it did as the alarmists claim it does it would be evident in our climate history.

Now get of your arses and look.


and it will be the same people who poisoned the air in the first place. The Treatment and the Cure.


Damn right its the same people, but don't be fooled CO2 is not a pollutant, even though it does get formed when combustion takes place.

Main Pollutants during combustion

Sox, Sulphur oxides, dust

Nox, Nitrogen oxides, ash

PM, Particle matters, Pm2.5, Pm10, Cox

CO2 is also given off but CO2 is not a pollutant, we drink CO2 in our beer and soft drinks those little bubbles.

Do we drink pollution when we drink those CO2 bubbles...?

We exhale CO2 from our bodies, which plants then breathe in and they in turn exhale oxygen for us to breathe.

Plants cannot live without CO2, the threshold for plant life to survive is 180 parts per million (ppm) of atmospheric CO2, today we have  just over 400ppm.

If plants could talk what safe level of CO2 would they demand, I'm sure it would be in the thousands (ppm).

CO2 is plant food

CO2 is not pollution




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Reply #16 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 8:24am
 
CO2 is invisible to the eye, you cannot see CO2.

These stacks are hot water vapour (steam) condensing when contacting the cooler atmosphere they may have traces of CO2 in them.

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Reply #17 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 11:14am
 
I know that I in our Prehistoric past, well even before the Dinosaurs. The atmosphere changed considerably. At times, the CO2 level was much higher than today or much lower. Oxygen was much higher or lower.
But this considerable amounts took a very slow process of over a few million years.

I would kinda like a world where the Oxygen level was so thick, it was kinda like swimming to a small degree and Scientists consider it as a major factor why the Dinosaurs could support their immense weight, let alone 'glide' in the sky. Other's have said that such an Oxygen thickness would 'crush' us, similar to the pressure of the deeper ocean just a km down.
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Reply #18 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 1:03pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 11:14am:
I know that I in our Prehistoric past, well even before the Dinosaurs. The atmosphere changed considerably. At times, the CO2 level was much higher than today or much lower. Oxygen was much higher or lower.
But this considerable amounts took a very slow process of over a few million years.

I would kinda like a world where the Oxygen level was so thick, it was kinda like swimming to a small degree and Scientists consider it as a major factor why the Dinosaurs could support their immense weight, let alone 'glide' in the sky. Other's have said that such an Oxygen thickness would 'crush' us, similar to the pressure of the deeper ocean just a km down.


Still no need to worry about the rate that CO2 has increased in our atmosphere lately, its still governed by the natural sinks venting more CO2 intro the atmosphere because of the current warming.

Man's emissions are so small, while they do contribute they hardly even register.

Look here,

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Compared to natural CO2 emissions mans emissions of CO2 are just too small to register.

Notice the sharp rise in fossil fuel CO2 emissions after 2000.

After 2000 fossil fuel emissions were 3 times the amount of fossil fuel emissions in the prior decade to 2000, that is 3 times as much fossil fuel emission went into our atmosphere after 2000 than the decade before 2000.

But the average yearly increase after 2000 just like the decade prior to 2000, average increase in CO2 remains more or less steady at 2.1ppm per year.

Fossil fuel CO2 emissions at 2.3% of the total CO2 natural emissions are insignificant and get lost in the noise.

That's why the average yearly increase of CO2 has remained steady at 2.1ppm per year even though fossil fuel emissions have shot through the roof.

Again your argument is shot down.

Yes fossil fuels emissions contribute but the contribution is small at 2.3% of the total amount of natural CO2 that is emitted.


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Reply #19 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 1:07pm
 
Anthropogenic Global Warming = A storm in a tea cup.

95% of the greenhouse effect comes from water vapour.

3.7% of the greenhouse effect comes from CO2.

Man's contribution to the CO2 is about 3%.

So thats 3% of 0.0037 = 0.000111

From 0.0037 man contributes 0.000111.

CO2 molecules have a life span of about 5 years in our atmosphere.

Our history shows that there is no correlation between CO2 and temperature.

All of the CO2 increase can be attributed to the current warming and the release of natural CO2 emissions which dwarf man made emissions.

The effects of more and more CO2 going into the atmosphere as the CO2 approaches its saturation point, well as can be seen below most of the heating is from from the first 20ppm or so then the heating affect becomes logarithmic.


The logarithmic effect of CO2


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Throw more carbon up there and most of the extra gas is just “unemployed” molecules.


http://joannenova.com.au/2010/02/4-carbon-dioxide-is-already-absorbing-almost-al...
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Reply #20 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 1:14pm
 
We have been warming because we are coming out of the Mini Ice Age (MIA), which was preceded by the Medieval Warm Period (MWP).

A question everyone should be asking themselves is why did the IPCC hide the MWP and the MIA.

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Reply #21 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 1:25pm
 
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Reply #22 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 1:39pm
 
We are going to pay billions of dollars in carbon derivatives on an ETS system or another name for it is a tax based on computer model information that was wrong.

Why should we give billions of dollars in tax to the United Nations and Bankers, the computer models were wrong...!!!

The temperature by end of this century will increase by about 1°C.

We don't need to spend billions to try and reduce the temperature to under 2°C as we are continuously being told.

This will happen all by itself.

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In 1990 IPCC computer models projected a warming of +2.78°C by end of this century

The last 27 years of empirical data projects a warming of +1.01°C by end of this century


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Reply #23 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 2:58pm
 
The 2500BC to 2040AD graph is a good example.
I've been saying for years that its just like the Tides.
Even with King Tides.
That the planet sways from its big Summers to big Winters.
I honestly think we are in a 'natural' occurrence of the earth having left its 'Ice Age' far behind and entering it's 'Fire Age'.
Of course, there are even BIGGER versions - like the Ice Age that scuttled the Aboriginals from 10,000BC to 25,000 BC and dried this continent out to a sparse existence.

Regardless, its a natural occurrence.
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Reply #24 - Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:51am
 
It is not natural. We are causing the heating we are seeing. We have caused so much heating that any end to the interglacial that some here talk about just is not going to happen.

The oceans have so much heat stored in them that if we were to disappear tomorrow the heating would still continue for centuries.

The main ice ages, at 100,000 year intervals, used to be 40,000 year intervals, are caused by orbital variations.

AGW is the only problem that is of first order importance facing us today. I have given up trying to discuss this here.
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Reply #25 - Jul 18th, 2017 at 6:18pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:51am:
It is not natural. We are causing the heating we are seeing. We have caused so much heating that any end to the interglacial that some here talk about just is not going to happen.

The oceans have so much heat stored in them that if we were to disappear tomorrow the heating would still continue for centuries.

The main ice ages, at 100,000 year intervals, used to be 40,000 year intervals, are caused by orbital variations.

AGW is the only problem that is of first order importance facing us today. I have given up trying to discuss this here.



When the IPCC computer models first started to calculate the temperature within their data base due to man’s emissions of CO2, they came up with a signature foot print for Anthropogenic Global Warming, proof that it existed beyond a doubt.

This signature foot print in the computer models was showing a hot spot around the equator due to the accumulation of manmade CO2 (I wonder what the natural CO2 which eclipses man’s efforts by a long shot was doing, must have been on holiday at that time), this hot spot in the computer data base was in the tropopause about 10 to 12 kilometres above the Earth’s surface.

Unfortunately for the alarmists and their overlords the oligarchy this hot spot which showed up in the most sophisticated computer weather models didn’t exist in real world.

They should’ve done a reality check before announcing it to the world but they didn’t, maybe they thought we would be like sheep and not question these findings maybe they got ahead of themselves doesn’t really matter because they were shooting blanks with this theory.

Radiosonde instrumentation on weather balloons and satellite data in the real world gathering weather data couldn’t find this hot spot that appeared in the most sophisticated climate models in their computers, so sceptics started to call this out.

So the alarmists realizing that we weren’t going to behave like sheep and that we have instruments to measure this phenomenon if it did really exist, started to say that the heat had gone into the oceans and that’s why we could no longer detect this hot spot in the tropopause with empirical data, that is actual measurements taken by weather balloons and satellites.

Unfortunately once again for the alarmists and their overlords the oligarchy, we had a temperature measuring system in the oceans called the ARGO, a team of strategically placed buoys around the world oceans taking temperatures down to about 750 to 800 metres.

Of course this extra heat that was supposed to be absorbed by the oceans never registered with the buoys, so the alarmists said the heat had snuck by the buoys and gone into the oceans depths where the buoys couldn’t measure it anymore.

But surely they would have registered this extra heat as it found its way to the bottom of the ocean passing through the first 800 metres, but offcourse the alarmists can’t think straight to begin with and they even till this day insist that the this extra heat snuck by the buoys down to the ocean depths and that were it remains till this day.

Every time they present a signature foot print it gets shot down faster that they could drop a hot potato, so the only way to make people believe them is, every time the ice shelf cracks it AGW, every time we have a cyclone or any type of natural disaster its AGW, scare tactics are the only instruments they have left, because they cannot explain the hiatus even though manmade CO2 emissions are going through the roof.

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Reply #26 - Jul 18th, 2017 at 7:14pm
 
Is there any correlation between CO2 and temperature?

(1).....On a small time scale
(NO)
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(11,000 years)


Showing from 200 to 11000 years ago, the subsequent graph is based on ice core data, readily visible in files hosted on the servers of the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA):GISP 2 and EPICA Dome C

Graph-1

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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/11/does-co2-correlate-with-temperature-histor...

(2).....On a medium time scale YES???, (450,000 years)


(NO)
, It appears so because of the scale we are zoomed out at.


WARNING !
This is the scale that most global warming sites use to scare the unsuspecting.


Over the past few hundred thousand years of ice core data, a “medium” time scale in this sense, CO2 superficially appears to change in step with temperature if a graph is so zoomed out as to not show sub-millennial time
scales well

Graph-2

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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/11/does-co2-correlate-with-temperature-histor...

A record of temperature and atmospheric CO2 over the past 400,000 years is preserved in the Vostok Ice Core and is shown in the figure on the right.

It can be seen that there have been a series of large fluctuations in temperature (the Ice Ages), accompanied by large changes in atmospheric CO2.

It is thought that these large temperature fluctuations are triggered by Milankovitch cycles - variations in the earth's orbit that change the amount of energy from the sun that reaches us.

However, on their own, these cycles are not enough to explain the changes in temperature.

The full explanation seems to be that the small change in temperature caused by the changing orbit are amplified by natural processes on earth. These cause CO2 to be released from the oceans and the biosphere, causing an increased greenhouse effect.

This is described more fully in this article from the New Scientist (see also Shackleton 2000). For more details on the timing of changes in CO2 and temperature, click on the figure.

http://www.brighton73.freeserve.co.uk/gw/paleo/paleoclimate.htm#100,000years

(3).....On a long time scale
(NO)
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(millions of years)


Graph-3

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[url]http://s155.n46.n171.n68.static.myhostcenter.com/WVFossils/Reference_Docs/Geocarb_III-Berner.pdf[/urll]

(4).....Lately

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Reply #27 - Jul 18th, 2017 at 10:12pm
 
So really the age of the Hominid/Sapien is really in a default situation going against the 'natural' average of the common atmosphere. We came into existence during a 'freak' period of a very low fluctuation.
Things will eventually go back to normal
...and will we be able to survive it>?

Maybe the Scientists know this and are trying to trick us into keeping the 'average/normal' atmosphere at bay.
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Reply #28 - Jul 20th, 2017 at 2:34pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 10:12pm:
So really the age of the Hominid/Sapien is really in a default situation going against the 'natural' average of the common atmosphere. We came into existence during a 'freak' period of a very low fluctuation.
Things will eventually go back to normal
...and will we be able to survive it>?

Maybe the Scientists know this and are trying to trick us into keeping the 'average/normal' atmosphere at bay.

Being deliberately vague is the trick of the con-artist  Grin
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