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Jul 13th, 2007 at 12:03pm
 
Roughly 95% of Australians vote above the line in the senate. This makes voting far easier and gives considerable negotiating power to the party you vote for. The downside is that many people are unaware of how their favourite party distributes preferences and may not agree with where their vote ends up. The table below makes it easier for people to figure what will happen to their senate vote. The information is from the Australian Electoral Commission website. It is based on the senate group voting tickets provided by each party in NSW for the last federal election (other state senate tickets are likely to be very similar – check the aec website if you have concerns). New tickets will be issued after the next federal election is called.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/electoral-reform/senate-group-voting-tickets-above-line...

EDIT - updated for this election - please pass on
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Reply #1 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 10:37am
 
I have put up a 2010 guide for the QLD senate showing people where their vote will probably end up if they vote above the line. Other states to follow if I have time.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/electoral-reform/senate-group-voting-tickets-above-line...
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Reply #2 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 10:12pm
 
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Reply #3 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 11:27pm
 

Speaking of election process advice - has anyone else noticed the numbering error on the AEC publication that was distributed over the past few days!?
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Reply #4 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 11:40pm
 
since it is entirely possible in this election to overestimate the number of voters who won't be taken in by this populist labor government, the safest thing to do in that case is to vote Liberal above the line, even though they stand a good chance of getting a majority in the Reps.
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Reply #5 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 7:07am
 
I voted below the line. It is not easy and I needed to have access to the web to find out where each representative were giving their votes to. There are so many different parties and independents that the average person wouldn't have a chance of knowing where they should place numbers in order to ensure their vote does what they intend it to do.

They should have written on the form, under the name or party, who the vote will be preferenced to. Surely it wouldn't be that hard. You must remember that some electorates could have in excess of sixty names on the ballot paper.
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Reply #6 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 9:22am
 
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They should have written on the form, under the name or party, who the vote will be preferenced to. Surely it wouldn't be that hard.


Yes it would. Check out the group voting tickets on the AEC website - link in the article. It's like a 100 page document. That's how much information they need to convey about preference allocation.

I would prefer we were allowed to vote both above and below the line. That is, rather than only 'ticking' one box above the line, you can rank the parties rather than the candidates. Or you can combine the two and rank some parties and for other parties rank individual candidates. If you rank a party, the assumption is that you list the according to the order given by the party.
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Reply #7 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 11:31am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 12th, 2010 at 7:07am:
I voted below the line. It is not easy and I needed to have access to the web to find out where each representative were giving their votes to. There are so many different parties and independents that the average person wouldn't have a chance of knowing where they should place numbers in order to ensure their vote does what they intend it to do.

They should have written on the form, under the name or party, who the vote will be preferenced to. Surely it wouldn't be that hard. You must remember that some electorates could have in excess of sixty names on the ballot paper.


I agree, in this case, easier is not best!
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Reply #8 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 11:35am
 

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 12th, 2010 at 11:31am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 12th, 2010 at 7:07am:
I voted below the line. It is not easy and I needed to have access to the web to find out where each representative were giving their votes to. There are so many different parties and independents that the average person wouldn't have a chance of knowing where they should place numbers in order to ensure their vote does what they intend it to do.

They should have written on the form, under the name or party, who the vote will be preferenced to. Surely it wouldn't be that hard. You must remember that some electorates could have in excess of sixty names on the ballot paper.


I agree, in this case, easier is not best!


What concerns me most, about voting below the line, is that voters are at greater risk of unwittingly casting an informal vote...
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Reply #9 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 6:04pm
 
Equitist wrote on Aug 12th, 2010 at 11:35am:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 12th, 2010 at 11:31am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 12th, 2010 at 7:07am:
I voted below the line. It is not easy and I needed to have access to the web to find out where each representative were giving their votes to. There are so many different parties and independents that the average person wouldn't have a chance of knowing where they should place numbers in order to ensure their vote does what they intend it to do.

They should have written on the form, under the name or party, who the vote will be preferenced to. Surely it wouldn't be that hard. You must remember that some electorates could have in excess of sixty names on the ballot paper.


I agree, in this case, easier is not best!


What concerns me most, about voting below the line, is that voters are at greater risk of unwittingly casting an informal vote...



That's right thy, I almost did, luckily I did it in pencil first so I could put it right. I really don't see how you could fill it out in the booth, far too long and complicated. They really don't want you to vote below the line, they'd rather you vote 1 labor or 1 liberal.

We've got two fishing parties, one nation and Australia first, almost the same thing, so many little parties that very similar to each other. All little liberal or labor offshoots.

Not the socialist party tho, there is no other like them.    Smiley
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Reply #10 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 6:04pm
 
Apparently if you vote both below and above the line, they will count your below the line vote if it is formal, but use your above the line vote if it is informal.
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Reply #11 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 6:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2010 at 6:04pm:
Apparently if you vote both below and above the line, they will count your below the line vote if it is formal, but use your above the line vote if it is informal.


Really? Now why doesn't that surprise me? I reckon there would be a lot of shenanigans going on at the counting stations. I bet we don't know the half of it. Smiley Smiley
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Reply #12 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 8:23pm
 
Sorry, I was wrong (again) about voting above and below the line. Details:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1195777429

Victoria added:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/electoral-reform/senate-group-voting-tickets-above-line...
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Reply #13 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 10:27pm
 
other states add:

QLD

NSW

VIC

TAS

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Reply #14 - Sep 1st, 2013 at 9:55pm
 
I have updated the guide for the 2013 election:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/electoral-reform/senate-group-voting-tickets-above-line...

The increase in the number of microparties makes it even more important to check where your vote will end up, if you plan to vote above the line. Some of the predictions are quite alarming. For example, in South Australia the new “No carbon tax” microparty has a 64% chance of election as long as its primary vote is 0.15% or higher, based on historical preference flows and current polling.
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