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Pope prays in mosque
Jun 25^th, 2007 at 10:38am

not sure if there are any catholics on this forum, but i would be interested in hearing their views about the Pope doing this.

i find it quite interesting.

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Pope hailed for praying towards Mecca
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Pope Benedict has wound up a visit to Turkey amid praise from the local press for visiting Istanbul's Blue Mosque and praying towards Mecca "like Muslims".

The Pope, who sparked protests across the Muslim world with a speech two months ago seen as criticising Islam, looked relaxed and pleased as he entered the Cathedral of the Holy Spirit for a mass at the end of the sensitive four-day trip.

His first visit to a mostly Muslim country, held under tight security for fear of protests by nationalists and Islamists, was highlighted by a series of conciliatory gestures.

It culminated in a stop on Thursday afternoon in the Sultan Ahmet Mosque, famous as Istanbul's Blue Mosque.

The daily newspaper Aksam's front page said: "The Pope's dreaded visit was concluded with a wonderful surprise".

Popular daily Hurriyet said: "In Sultan Ahmet Mosque, he turned towards Mecca and prayed like Muslims".

His gestures, including support for Turkey's bid to join the European Union and praise for Islam as a peaceful faith, seem to have persuaded the Turks to move beyond the tension following his speech quoting a Byzantine emperor as calling Islam violent.

But in Islam's Middle Eastern heartland, Arab commentators still call for Pope Benedict to issue a full apology for his speech.

Shocked by the protests it triggered, the Pope has said he did not agree with the controversial quote but has not apologised.

Catholic officials also presented the mosque visit, where Pope Benedict stood in silent prayer while Istanbul Grand Mufti Mustafa Cagrici prayed aloud, as a key moment of reconciliation.

"I would compare the Pope's visit to the mosque to Pope John Paul's gestures at the Western Wall," said veteran Vatican mediator Cardinal Roger Etchegaray, referring to Pope John Paul II's prayers at Jerusalem's Western Wall in 2000.

"Yesterday, Benedict did with the Muslims what John Paul did with the Jews."

- Reuters

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ex-member DonaldTrump Gold Member Offline Oh mere mortals, open your eyes! Posts: 1995 Overseas Gender:	Re: Pope prays in mosque Reply #2 - Jun 25^th, 2007 at 10:51am The actions of these Muslims do not surprse me one bit. The Pope 'submits' and all of a sudden he's the Muslims best friend. Quote: Wow, I'm impressed. Yeah... you would be.
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Re: Pope prays in mosque
Reply #3 - Jun 25^th, 2007 at 10:55am

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Jun 25^th, 2007 at 10:51am:

The actions of these Muslims do not surprse me one bit.

The Pope 'submits' and all of a sudden he's the Muslims best friend. Roll Eyes

i'm more surprised by the Pope's actions, for someone who is a critic of Islam, for him to pray in a mosque with muslims is quite a shock.

it's quite a turnaround, something must have happened recently to change his view.

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ex-member DonaldTrump Gold Member Offline Oh mere mortals, open your eyes! Posts: 1995 Overseas Gender:	Re: Pope prays in mosque Reply #5 - Jun 25^th, 2007 at 12:14pm Quote: it's quite a turnaround, something must have happened recently to change his view. 1) Pressure from politicians. 2) Continuous death threats from Muslims.
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Re: Pope prays in mosque
Reply #6 - Jun 25^th, 2007 at 12:23pm

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Jun 25^th, 2007 at 12:14pm:

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it's quite a turnaround, something must have happened recently to change his view.

1) Pressure from politicians.
2) Continuous death threats from Muslims.

more likely, pressure from politicans.

something about muslims threatening to kill him unless he prays in their mosque doesn't add up. i'm pretty sure u would find some muslims who would have not wanted him to step foot in there.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40952 Gender:	Re: Pope prays in mosque Reply #7 - Jun 25^th, 2007 at 12:52pm Thought Christians weren't meant to bow before any other gods. "You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men. " Matthew 5:13
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Reply #8 - Jun 25^th, 2007 at 2:38pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 25^th, 2007 at 12:52pm:

Thought Christians weren't meant to bow before any other gods.

"You are the salt of the earth.
But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again?
It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men. "
Matthew 5:13

I guess the pope considers Allah and God to be different in name only.

I don't see how that could be possible given that he made a paedophile/war monger a prophet. Tongue

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Reply #10 - Jun 25^th, 2007 at 5:38pm

arabic christians call god allah.

allah is just arabic for god.

the pope can pray to god where ever he likes, he is still praying to the same god.

i think you will find benedict still believs islam is inherintly violent, but he also believes in outreach to the lost. he is by no means sayng islam is the new best thing in the world, rather he is simply extending an olive branch, whilst showing humility rather than the fablled christian elitism by praying in a mosque.

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allah is just arabic for god.

Thats right.

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the pope can pray to god where ever he likes, he is still praying to the same god.

i think you will find benedict still believs islam is inherintly violent, but he also believes in outreach to the lost. he is by no means sayng islam is the new best thing in the world, rather he is simply extending an olive branch

That is the christian way.

Not me though, im a Warlord.

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whilst showing humility rather than the fablled christian elitism by praying in a mosque.

The muslims love the fact that he is SUBMITTING.

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Reply #12 - Jun 25^th, 2007 at 8:16pm

pender - when the pope knealt toward mecca, he was not praying to Yahwah.
He was praying to a false god of those that wish to exterminate all jews and all christians.
a god that "does not speak" to anyone since mohammad. that has no relationship and does not exist.

the pope has lost his saltiness and is irrelevant.
very similar to the uniting church when it allowed gays to be priests.

in the old test, many kings would worship Yahwah and other gods as well. This was not a good thing.

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Reply #13 - Jun 26^th, 2007 at 5:53pm

i think you will find that when he said what ever he said he knew who he was addressing.

if my church faces meccah does that mean i am praying to the muslim version of god?

god is everywhere, he can be prayed to from any location. It does not matter where you pray only who you pray to, and only you can say who it is you pray to.

it says in the bible to go to ALL peoples and spread the good news, that means muslims aswell.

and humility is one of the greatest assets a man can posess.

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Reply #14 - Jun 26^th, 2007 at 6:09pm

pender - there is very little in "allah" that is anything at all like God.
How come mohammad said "Kill all the jews."
have you read any of the koran or know any of mohammads life ?
If your church is a mosque, and you are facing mecca, I'ld say you was a muslim.
allah/koran was invented entirely by mohammad for heal his wounded pride and to excuse his bloodlust and widen his empire..
There is no reference to allah or mohammad in the bible, unlike Jesus in the old test. Check out the references to ishmael, whom the mslims "follow as a prophet !"

the catholics don't follow the bible, they follow the pope, whatever he does is right.
What is that inscription on the popes staff again ??
he wasn't spreading the good news. He was caving in.

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