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Question: Do you support multiculturalism?

Yes. Diversity leads to unity and enrichment.    
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No. How can disunity lead to unity?    
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Undecided.    
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Other.    
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Reply #810 - Aug 21st, 2014 at 12:27am
 
Lionel Edriess wrote on Aug 20th, 2014 at 10:59pm:
Isn't that then a sad indictment of our own government, or indeed our parenting, to produce such a generation of bed-wetting, labour-shy dependants?

We seem to have transitioned from a nation of workers to a nation of shirkers.


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Reply #811 - Aug 22nd, 2014 at 12:29am
 
Look,
to have a 'One' Culture
it needs to be supported by a group of minority cultures= multi-culture.

In North America:

The Red (Rangas) and Brown (Middle-Eastern/Religious) Peoples represent the Culture of 'Breeders: Mass Production, Under-Achiever'. Poor in power, but strong in numbers and Family.
The White (Anglos) and Green (Draconians: South America)
'Persons' represent the Culture of 'Power: Individual, Over-Achiever'. Strong in Power, but weak in numbers and Family.

These 2x2 represent the 'Top of the Pyramid and bottom of the Pyramid WITHOUT the 'twain shall meet' (touching one another on the Pyramid 'scale').
...in between is the Middle-Class that is 'inverted' against the grain - by another 2x2.

The Blue & Yellow peoples are much like the Reds & Browns, but they prefer to RISE towards the Whites & Greens. Kinda like Family Men who prefer to earn a better living, like the high achievers, than have more kids/wives than like the Breeders.
The Greys & Blacks are very Individual like the Whites & Greens, but sacrifice the 'Empowerment' in all to FALL in love towards the direction of the Red & Brown Breeders.
Known more for their 'Romantism' than large families and hence why Greys & Blacks are more interested in the size of their Penis, than bank account.  Tongue

...so basically that's the Multi-Culturalism of the USA 'Culture'.

Of course, Australia's version is UN-OFFICIALLY
- the complete OPPOSITE. Wink Grin
...and you thought a 'Political' figurehead is running this country  Wink Shocked

As you can see: its a PROCESS, and that process has been replicated before in other parts of the world via other 'de-vices' like Religion: The Catholic has one Over-achiever, who rules over a mass of under-achievers. The Protestant is the mass of Achievers who rule over One under-achiever.
The Orthodox gets both the sex and the money, but no-one really turns up to his church...
...they are all celebrating the Burning Man of Paganism  Wink

AND THAT IS HOW IT WORKS ALL THE TIME, IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES, DIFFERENT WAYS, DIFFERENT PLACES, DIFFERENT TIMES ...BUT THATS HOW IT
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #812 - Aug 22nd, 2014 at 10:36am
 
I am glad you've sorted that out for us JaSin!  Nothing like a bit of plain explanation to tell us how things work!   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin
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Reply #813 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:10pm
 
Taipan wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:41am:
Anyone who thinks diversity leads to unity is mentally ill.

One of the reasons the globalists gave us multiculturalism, via their Rhodes scholars and other puppets, was to create division. Its easier to manipulate a society that is divided and then at a later stage destroy it.

Divide and Conquer isn't their only m.o. , Defile and Destroy is another one they use.


So very true!

If everyone is allowed to be culturally different, there is no culture, & with no National Culture, no National Identity....no National Unity.

Cultural Assimilation is the only way to deal with immigration, but it doesn't mean that immigrants can't share what cultures they came from with their own families, or with others in society --- as long it is kept on a purely historical level. Wink
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Reply #814 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:24pm
 
Panther wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:10pm:
Taipan wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:41am:
Anyone who thinks diversity leads to unity is mentally ill.

One of the reasons the globalists gave us multiculturalism, via their Rhodes scholars and other puppets, was to create division. Its easier to manipulate a society that is divided and then at a later stage destroy it.

Divide and Conquer isn't their only m.o. , Defile and Destroy is another one they use.


So very true!

If everyone is allowed to be different, there is no culture, & with no National Culture, no National Identity....

Cultural Assimilation is the only way to deal with immigration, but it doesn't mean that immigrants can't share what cultures they came from with their own families, or with others in society --- as long it is kept on a purely historical level. Wink

You two need to get out the house I'm pretty sure no one could change your beliefs but you would expect others to change theirs for you. Luckily for us the majority of us can communicate compromise and co-operate, with each other more time and education will see us getting better at it. Sooner we are rid of radicals on all sides the better off we will all be.

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Reply #815 - Oct 15th, 2014 at 6:51am
 
Rubin wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:24pm:
Panther wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:10pm:
Taipan wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:41am:
Anyone who thinks diversity leads to unity is mentally ill.

One of the reasons the globalists gave us multiculturalism, via their Rhodes scholars and other puppets, was to create division. Its easier to manipulate a society that is divided and then at a later stage destroy it.

Divide and Conquer isn't their only m.o. , Defile and Destroy is another one they use.


So very true!

If everyone is allowed to be different, there is no culture, & with no National Culture, no National Identity....

Cultural Assimilation is the only way to deal with immigration, but it doesn't mean that immigrants can't share what cultures they came from with their own families, or with others in society --- as long it is kept on a purely historical level. Wink

You two need to get out the house I'm pretty sure no one could change your beliefs but you would expect others to change theirs for you. Luckily for us the majority of us can communicate compromise and co-operate, with each other more time and education will see us getting better at it. Sooner we are rid of radicals on all sides the better off we will all be.


Well, Cultural Assimilation doesn't happen over night. That's why there needs to be Community Participation & Support coupled with education to take the new immigrants from the stage of being a new arrival, all the way into becoming an Australian -- hopefully all the way to becoming an Australian Citizen.

Education includes, among many things, a strong English language reinforcement, to take them all the way to a point where English eventually becomes their first language -- language of choice.

It also means study of in-depth Australian history -- including Australian Historical Events, Understanding Australian Culture, & Basic Australian Laws.

Community Participation & Support means helping the new immigrant by those who speak their native language, initially in an interpretive capacity, & also in conjunction with their ongoing English education.

Help in finding a decent job to enhance self-worth.

Community inclusion in activities that would make the new immigrant feel more welcome, & have a better sense of being 'home'.

These activities, amongst others, have proven to be very successful, providing the immigrant possess a very basic, but necessary, ingredient  --  their desire to be Australian.

The immigrant must have a strong desire to become Australian, become part of the Australian fabric, to make Australia their new home.

If given the opportunity & education, the overwhelming percentage of immigrants will be successful, but as I said earlier, it won't happen over night --- but it will happen. Wink

Multiculturalism
, on the other hand, is divisive by definition. Instead of promoting the new arrival in becoming part of the Australian Fabric, it relays the message that the new arrival need not be part of Australia, need not speak the language of the land they hope to settle in, have no need for Australian Law. They are made to feel they have a right to create a new Society, in the image of their former home, completely isolated from the Australian way of life.

There is no way that this will form a more unified & diverse Australian Community. It will only promote enclaves of competing --- sometimes violently competing --- intolerant neighborhoods. Frictions will abound between enclaves. This can only make Australia much weaker, not any stronger.

The Multiculturalism Experiment    has never been successful in the long term, & it can only lead to the eventual breakdown of the existing cohesive Society it's permitted to form in, as all of Europe is finding out now, after many years of embracing it. Sad

Europe has decided that Multiculturalism was an unfortunate, & costly (in terms of lives, & not only financially) a costly mistake.

Will we here in Australia learn from their misfortunes & hardships, or are we to doom ourselves unnecessarily to the same mistakes & undesirable outcomes? Sad

Sometimes "Political Correctness" can go too far. Just ask Angela Merkel.
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Re: Do you support multiculturalism? If so, why?
Reply #816 - Oct 15th, 2014 at 11:16pm
 
Panther wrote on Oct 14th, 2014 at 6:10pm:
Taipan wrote on Feb 21st, 2014 at 10:41am:
Anyone who thinks diversity leads to unity is mentally ill.

One of the reasons the globalists gave us multiculturalism, via their Rhodes scholars and other puppets, was to create division. Its easier to manipulate a society that is divided and then at a later stage destroy it.

Divide and Conquer isn't their only m.o. , Defile and Destroy is another one they use.


So very true!

If everyone is allowed to be culturally different, there is no culture, & with no National Culture, no National Identity....no National Unity.

Cultural Assimilation is the only way to deal with immigration, but it doesn't mean that immigrants can't share what cultures they came from with their own families, or with others in society --- as long it is kept on a purely historical level. Wink


You contradict yourself.   Roll Eyes

The reality is that everybody has their own culture.  At the national level, all nations are multicultural, made up of numerous regional cultures and each of those regional cultures are made up of numerous local cultures and each of those local cultures are much of numerous family cultures.   All nations are the same,  multicultural ones. 

Who are you to dictate what I or anybody else practice as our own cultures?  Are you going to stand over us and forbid us wearing what clothing we desire, cooking what food we like and speaking what languages we want?    Roll Eyes

You cannot force people to assimilate.  What is assimilation anyway?  Who determines if an individual is "assimilated"?  How do you measure "assimilation"?     Roll Eyes
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Reply #817 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 9:28am
 
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You cannot force people to assimilate


2.
What is assimilation anyway?


3.
Who determines if an individual is "assimilated"?


4.
How do you measure "assimilation"?



1. - All immigrants or refugees are initially guests -- welcome guests -- of the Australian People. They are educated with the knowledge that if they wish to stay there are some objectives they need to meet. They will be expected to join us in our common goal to better Australia by becoming an asset to our Australian Culture, & part of our Australian Community.

If they do not wish to take part in our Australian Culture, disobey our laws, fight every attempt to join in our Australian Community, completely refuse to assimilate, then they are refusing any & all rights of being a guest, & therefore should be required to leave our shores -- go to live somewhere much more to their liking, somewhere they would be happier.
They are unfortunately no longer welcome to the benefits of our Community, as our guests.

Therefore, we don't force them to assimilate, we give them an education & choice. We offer them the alternatives to becoming Australian.....They make the decision. The choice is theirs....Stay & become Australian, or leave to be happier elsewhere.


Basically, in Short: 2 thru 4
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Cultural assimilation is the process by which a person or a group's language and/or culture come to resemble those of another group. The term is used to refer to both individuals and groups, and in the latter case it can refer to either immigrant diasporas or native residents that come to be culturally dominated by another society. Assimilation may involve either a quick or gradual change depending on circumstances of the group. Full assimilation occurs when new members of a society become indistinguishable from members of the other group.....
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_assimilation



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Who are you to dictate what I or anybody else practice as our own cultures?


I personally won't & can't dictate anything, but as a welcome guest of our Society, Our Society can based on it's laws.

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Are you going to stand over us and forbid us wearing what clothing we desire, cooking what food we like and speaking what languages we want?


No, never....you are free to clothe yourself as you wish just as long as it conforms to standing law. (isn't a threat to the Communities general security)

You can cook whatever foods you wish just as long as it conforms to standing law. (no illegal ingredients)

You can speak whatever language you wish, especially to your own family, & to friends that can understand you.

We, as a Community aren't required to understand you, & if you wish to communicate with us you must speak our language, especially pertaining to legal issues (in court, or police questioning, etc...) & via legal documentation, which must be in English.

Therefore being proficient, to an acceptable degree, in English would be expected,  naturally, after a reasonable period of time to become somewhat proficient.  It's part & parcel to becoming Australian, being part of the Australian Community & Society. Smiley


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The reality is that everybody has their own culture.  At the national level, all nations are multicultural, made up of numerous regional cultures and each of those regional cultures are made up of numerous local cultures and each of those local cultures are much of numerous family cultures.   All nations are the same,  multicultural ones.
 

Everyone is entitled to their own personal opinion, & this happens to be yours -- your personal opinion.

I respect your opinions as yours.  Wink

This is what we do here.....we express our own personal opinions.

These personal opinions can be based in fact, & if so need a precise source & authoritative qualification.

Otherwise they must be determined as a personal belief, based on a form of faith....nothing more.

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Reply #818 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 12:23pm
 
Why must immigrants become "assimilated"?  Afterall, the first modern group of European immigrants didn't bother to assimilate with the original inhabitants, now did they?

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Reply #819 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 2:20pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Oct 16th, 2014 at 12:23pm:
Why must immigrants become "assimilated"?  Afterall, the first modern group of European immigrants didn't bother to assimilate with the original inhabitants, now did they?

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/abc/941/41a/resized/aboriginal-meme-generator-assim...

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That would have been regression.

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Reply #820 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 2:45pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 16th, 2014 at 2:20pm:
|dev|null wrote on Oct 16th, 2014 at 12:23pm:
Why must immigrants become "assimilated"?  Afterall, the first modern group of European immigrants didn't bother to assimilate with the original inhabitants, now did they?

[url]http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/abc/941/41a/resized/aboriginal-meme-generator-...[/url]

Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

That would have been regression.



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Reply #821 - Nov 23rd, 2014 at 10:09pm
 
I voted other. I do not like the concept of multi-culture. However, I do like the idea of a cosmopolitan community. Multiculturalism is social engineering; an attempt by government boffins to improve the world. Just look at the success rate.
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issuevoter wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 10:09pm:
I voted other. I do not like the concept of multi-culture. However, I do like the idea of a cosmopolitan community. Multiculturalism is social engineering; an attempt by government boffins to improve the world. Just look at the success rate.


Multiculturalism is recognition that your cosmopolitan society exists and that the interests of the citizens to be allowed to practice their culture in peace, without fear of reprisals/retribution/intolerance/hatred/etc. will be guaranteed, as long as it occurs within the limits of the law.  Without Multiculturalism cosmopolitanism cannot exist for long.     Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin
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Reply #823 - Mar 2nd, 2016 at 4:18pm
 
Of course not.
There is the uncomfortable truth that some cultures are better than others, they are not all equal. Multiculturalism is the artificial equalisation of all cultures. The freedom and liberty of the west is not equal to the suppression of women, stoning of non-believers and suppression of freedom of Middle Eastern culture.
I'm sorry to say that "because food" doesn't really counteract the repression of Liberty, mass rapes and mass violence multiculturalism in it's purest form brings.
Let's be clear, the reason "multiculturalism" was able to work in the past was because immigrants put away their personal cultures, embraced the one they chose to live in, and worked towards the same goals the nation did. What multiculturalism leads to today is the softening of our valued for immoral ones and infinite segregation of a near infinite number of groups.
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|dev|null wrote on Nov 24th, 2014 at 12:46pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 23rd, 2014 at 10:09pm:
I voted other. I do not like the concept of multi-culture. However, I do like the idea of a cosmopolitan community. Multiculturalism is social engineering; an attempt by government boffins to improve the world. Just look at the success rate.


Multiculturalism is recognition that your cosmopolitan society exists and that the interests of the citizens to be allowed to practice their culture in peace, without fear of reprisals/retribution/intolerance/hatred/etc. will be guaranteed, as long as it occurs within the limits of the law.  Without Multiculturalism cosmopolitanism cannot exist for long.     Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin

You know that rootless 'cosmopolitan' is code for Jew, don't you?

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