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A more balanced parliament
Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:10am
 
As it is most of the parliamentarians are lawyers. next biggest group are accountants.

If we have a good representation of scientists and business entrepreneurs that may help us dramatically.
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Reply #1 - Feb 23rd, 2021 at 11:07pm
 
Lawyers are more orthodox to Politics than Accountants (Maths).
Personally I think Banks and Accountants should run our Economy (let the Politicians just run Politics).
They know how to get rich and they can take us all with them on the gravy train.

A Member of Politics, Art, Science, Sport, Music, Medicine, Environment/Farming, Maths (Economics) and many others should sit down at a Summit and discuss the future of this country each year.
Obviously at the moment, a Doctor would have the Seat among them all.

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Reply #2 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 6:16am
 
The two worst groups to run a country that could possibly be envisioned.

Lawyers lie for a living,
Morality, truth, honesty and justice are foreign words to this group of parasites.
Their entire existence revolves around getting criminals off scott free for a price.


Accountants, well they have proven themselves in Australian industry.....they are useless.
Focussed on short term gains and never considering long term benifits.
These seagull managers move into a company sack the operational staff cut services and claim a reduction in costs.
They then leave and the next poor sod has to contend with too few inexperienced staff to provide the required services and a dwindling client base.


More successful countries use engineers and other professions as management
They look at long term viability, organisational stability and modernization.

But to put lawyers and accountants into politics..................no wonder we have the worst politicians and grubberment on earth.
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Reply #3 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 6:35am
 
So you dont like teachers lawyers or accountants - what professionals do you like?

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Reply #4 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 10:04am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 6:35am:
So you dont like teachers lawyers or accountants - what professionals do you like?

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True professionals.
Not teaching , which has a dismally low entry requirement, the lowest of any "profession"
Certainly not lawers, who are born liars, and most often criminally connected.
Accountants simply fiddle numbers, looking for ways to avoid doing the right thing.
If businesses paid the right tax and the seriously wealthy paid their fair share, the average person would have to pay little or no tax.

You can add doctors to the list if you like
It it weren't for chemists, doctors would still be dancing around shaking rattles and calling on various gods to heal people. They are overpaid mechanics who aren't very good at what they do.

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Reply #5 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 10:19am
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 10:04am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 6:35am:
So you dont like teachers lawyers or accountants - what professionals do you like?

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True professionals.
Not teaching , which has a dismally low entry requirement, the lowest of any "profession"
Certainly not lawers, who are born liars, and most often criminally connected.
Accountants simply fiddle numbers, looking for ways to avoid doing the right thing.
If businesses paid the right tax and the seriously wealthy paid their fair share, the average person would have to pay little or no tax.

You can add doctors to the list if you like
It it weren't for chemists, doctors would still be dancing around shaking rattles and calling on various gods to heal people. They are overpaid mechanics who aren't very good at what they do.



It it weren't for chemists, doctors would still be dancing around shaking rattles and calling on various gods to heal people.

You mean pharmacologists.
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Reply #6 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 11:18am
 
How about including some cops who could articulate their views on how to reduce the rampant crime in the community, and how to weed out idiot drivers on the roads, and how to select Parliament staffers of good character so as to reduce sexual assault
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Reply #7 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 11:41am
 
The last few decades have see the rise of the 'political class' in Australia and other western nations. People who study law or politics at university, go to work in an MPs office licking envelopes and gradually working their way up through the party until they get a run at parliament themselves.  These people have never worked outside politics or closely related fields like law or the union movement and have no concept of the way things work for the vast majority of Australians. 

At the moment these types have a tight grip on the political reins, but all is not yet lost.  We do have a few ex service personnel in parliament these days - not counting lawyers like Reynolds or McGowan - and people like Hanson who are definitely outside the fold.  We need more of these types to counter the lawyers and bean counters who infest the place.
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Reply #8 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 1:13pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 11:41am:
The last few decades have see the rise of the 'political class' in Australia and other western nations. People who study law or politics at university, go to work in an MPs office licking envelopes and gradually working their way up through the party until they get a run at parliament themselves.  These people have never worked outside politics or closely related fields like law or the union movement and have no concept of the way things work for the vast majority of Australians. 

At the moment these types have a tight grip on the political reins, but all is not yet lost.  We do have a few ex service personnel in parliament these days - not counting lawyers like Reynolds or McGowan - and people like Hanson who are definitely outside the fold.  We need more of these types to counter the lawyers and bean counters who infest the place.


Yes, exactly.
But the clique ostracize any who may threaten their hold on the reigns of power.

Latham tried to get them to reduce their rort and gratuities, and look what happened to him.

Hanson dared to threaten their hold and was gaoled for her audacity.

There are a few others, but the parasites close ranks and harass the good ones to the point of leaving.

The only real cure is to start with a clean slate and wipe the board clean.

Preferably with a guillotine.
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Reply #9 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 2:22pm
 
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Reply #11 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 3:09pm
 
Some good points brought up.
My take on the Banks is good and bad. The Australian Big 4 Banks are very high on the list of best performing Banks in the world. But we also know that many Customers have been ripped off blind by these Banks too - to get to that ranking, as we have seen recently.

There are some really good Politicians and we've seen some shockers. But thankfully we've not had Politicians like many other nations have - who basically destroy their nations ( the CIA have been busted many times funding these Politicians under the table to keep their nations weak as a potential competitor to the USA, while they get the Media to blast them over the table for their evil ways. It still goes on.)

PM's serve the USA (Rudd served China more, didn't like Murdoch, was replaced by Gillard, who loved America more than this country - let alone just hate men).
Gov-Generals serve the UK.

...only Premiers seem to serve Australia. Maybe we should have Premier Summits who sit down and tell the PM's and Gov-Generals what to do?
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Reply #12 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 6:35pm
 
Start by making it a form of national service with salary and perks to suit... that would deter the 'career' politicians who are blatantly in it for the lifetime easy ride...
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aquascoot wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 2:24pm:
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And steeped in the fine arts of perverting the course of justice, perjury and obfuscation..

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 6:35pm:
Start by making it a form of national service with salary and perks to suit... that would deter the 'career' politicians who are blatantly in it for the lifetime easy ride...


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Reply #15 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 7:02pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:10am:
As it is most of the parliamentarians are lawyers. next biggest group are accountants.

If we have a good representation of scientists and business entrepreneurs that may help us dramatically.


Business people makes sense. The only reason we don't have more is that they would have to take a massive pay cut to deal with twice as much BS.

Scientists not. Science does not really give you any useful tools for politics or management.
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freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 7:02pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:10am:
As it is most of the parliamentarians are lawyers. next biggest group are accountants.

If we have a good representation of scientists and business entrepreneurs that may help us dramatically.


Business people makes sense. The only reason we don't have more is that they would have to take a massive pay cut to deal with twice as much BS.

Scientists not. Science does not really give you any useful tools for politics or management.


Trump apparently didn't to the Media's perception of Politics.
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Reply #17 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 9:35pm
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 8:02pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 7:02pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:10am:
As it is most of the parliamentarians are lawyers. next biggest group are accountants.

If we have a good representation of scientists and business entrepreneurs that may help us dramatically.


Business people makes sense. The only reason we don't have more is that they would have to take a massive pay cut to deal with twice as much BS.

Scientists not. Science does not really give you any useful tools for politics or management.


Trump apparently didn't to the Media's perception of Politics.


He said business people not failed business people ?
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Reply #18 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 9:38pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:10am:
As it is most of the parliamentarians are lawyers. next biggest group are accountants.

If we have a good representation of scientists and business entrepreneurs that may help us dramatically.



Bad news Sprintcycle - you must be wrong, I agree with you.
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I gather Trump was the American Ranga version of this Brownie from the Middle-East
"A River to his People".

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Reply #20 - Feb 24th, 2021 at 9:42pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 7:02pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:10am:
As it is most of the parliamentarians are lawyers. next biggest group are accountants.

If we have a good representation of scientists and business entrepreneurs that may help us dramatically.


Business people makes sense. The only reason we don't have more is that they would have to take a massive pay cut to deal with twice as much BS.

Scientists not. Science does not really give you any useful tools for politics or management.


I would find room for some science - idea's people less enthusiastic about business people, the type of business person most likely attracted would come from a low position on the morality measure. We already have an excess of that skill.
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:10am:
As it is most of the parliamentarians are lawyers. next biggest group are accountants.

If we have a good representation of scientists and business entrepreneurs that may help us dramatically.


Absolutely no way!!!. They already control most everything from the back office, and you want to give them direct control so the needs and wants of the common woman and man can be totally ignored.

If you want to genuinely address the imbalance then sortition should appeal to you. In Ancient Athens, in addition to the general assembly of citizens who would make the major decisions (Will we go to war or not and how will we spend the money) there was also a council of 500 who were selected every 2 years from all the citizens (farmers, blacksmiths, weavers, potters, swordsmiths etc) NOT by election but by lottery and they made the more minor decisions and also prepared matters for consideration by the Assembly. The beauty of sortition is that it eliminates the need for politicians because the 2 major decision making bodies are the General Assembly and a council selected on rotation by lottery and not elections.  The system greatly reduces corruption and makes better decisions because the decision makers are not bought politicians or politicians more interested in wining or keeping their jobs than what the people want. 
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Reply #22 - Feb 25th, 2021 at 7:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 7:02pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:10am:
As it is most of the parliamentarians are lawyers. next biggest group are accountants.

If we have a good representation of scientists and business entrepreneurs that may help us dramatically.


Business people makes sense. The only reason we don't have more is that they would have to take a massive pay cut to deal with twice as much BS.

Scientists not. Science does not really give you any useful tools for politics or management.


Most government decisions are made for the benefit of business people today imagine how much worse if they were running the show.
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Dnarever wrote on Feb 25th, 2021 at 7:57pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 7:02pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:10am:
As it is most of the parliamentarians are lawyers. next biggest group are accountants.

If we have a good representation of scientists and business entrepreneurs that may help us dramatically.


Business people makes sense. The only reason we don't have more is that they would have to take a massive pay cut to deal with twice as much BS.

Scientists not. Science does not really give you any useful tools for politics or management.


Most government decisions are made for the benefit of business people today imagine how much worse if they were running the show.

Exactly!
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Reply #24 - Feb 25th, 2021 at 9:50pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 9:42pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 7:02pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:10am:
As it is most of the parliamentarians are lawyers. next biggest group are accountants.

If we have a good representation of scientists and business entrepreneurs that may help us dramatically.


Business people makes sense. The only reason we don't have more is that they would have to take a massive pay cut to deal with twice as much BS.

Scientists not. Science does not really give you any useful tools for politics or management.


I would find room for some science - idea's people less enthusiastic about business people, the type of business person most likely attracted would come from a low position on the morality measure. We already have an excess of that skill.


Have you met a lot of scientists?

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25th, 2021 at 7:57pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 7:02pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:10am:
As it is most of the parliamentarians are lawyers. next biggest group are accountants.

If we have a good representation of scientists and business entrepreneurs that may help us dramatically.


Business people makes sense. The only reason we don't have more is that they would have to take a massive pay cut to deal with twice as much BS.

Scientists not. Science does not really give you any useful tools for politics or management.


Most government decisions are made for the benefit of business people today imagine how much worse if they were running the show.


How would it make a difference?
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Reply #25 - Feb 25th, 2021 at 10:33pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 25th, 2021 at 9:50pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 9:42pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 7:02pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:10am:
As it is most of the parliamentarians are lawyers. next biggest group are accountants.

If we have a good representation of scientists and business entrepreneurs that may help us dramatically.


Business people makes sense. The only reason we don't have more is that they would have to take a massive pay cut to deal with twice as much BS.

Scientists not. Science does not really give you any useful tools for politics or management.


I would find room for some science - idea's people less enthusiastic about business people, the type of business person most likely attracted would come from a low position on the morality measure. We already have an excess of that skill.


Have you met a lot of scientists?

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25th, 2021 at 7:57pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 24th, 2021 at 7:02pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 27th, 2007 at 11:10am:
As it is most of the parliamentarians are lawyers. next biggest group are accountants.

If we have a good representation of scientists and business entrepreneurs that may help us dramatically.


Business people makes sense. The only reason we don't have more is that they would have to take a massive pay cut to deal with twice as much BS.

Scientists not. Science does not really give you any useful tools for politics or management.


Most government decisions are made for the benefit of business people today imagine how much worse if they were running the show.


How would it make a difference?


Worked with a few.

One was a physicist, lectured at Syd Uni 2 days a week and for the CSIRO 3 days. Very smart guy, smarter than 95% of our politicians.

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How would it make a difference?


Skew political policy even further in the wrong direction and entrench corruption deeper than it already is.

More hostile towards workers.

More focused on unfair industrial policy

No redeeming factors.

Make bad government even worse. 

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