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Burke & Wills breastplate declared abor. artefact
Apr 23rd, 2007 at 7:14pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Historic-breastplate-barred-from-sale/2007/04/23/1177180554694.html

The South Australian government has barred a ceremonial breastplate linked to the ill-fated Burke and Wills expedition to cross Australia in 1860 from being sold.

The 20-centimetre brass breastplate, valued at up to $200,000 was found by two brothers, Eric and Klaus Ganzert, in South Australia's far north-east in 2001.

It was to have been auctioned on Tuesday but Aboriginal Affairs Minister Jay Weatherill said he had stepped in to declare it an Aboriginal object of significance and prevented the sale going ahead.

"I have satisfied myself that it is an item of Aboriginal heritage and now it's a question of investigating its true ownership."
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Reply #1 - May 28th, 2007 at 3:32pm
 


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The South Australian government has barred a ceremonial breastplate linked to the ill-fated Burke and Wills expedition to cross Australia in 1860 from being sold.

The 20-centimetre brass breastplate, valued at up to $200,000 was found by two brothers, Eric and Klaus Ganzert, in South Australia's far north-east in 2001.

It was to have been auctioned on Tuesday but Aboriginal Affairs Minister Jay Weatherill said he had stepped in to declare it an Aboriginal object of significance and prevented the sale going ahead.

"I have satisfied myself that it is an item of Aboriginal heritage and now it's a question of investigating its true ownership."



Oh what a load of crap.


This is a piece of australian history, not of the abo's.
Jay weatherill is a
DICKHEAD.
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Reply #2 - May 28th, 2007 at 3:39pm
 
Welcome back AN, haven't seen you here in a while. Glad to see you haven't lost your form.
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Reply #3 - May 28th, 2007 at 3:41pm
 
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The South Australian government has barred a ceremonial breastplate linked to the ill-fated Burke and Wills expedition to cross Australia in 1860 from being sold.

The 20-centimetre brass breastplate, valued at up to $200,000 was found by two brothers, Eric and Klaus Ganzert, in South Australia's far north-east in 2001.

It was to have been auctioned on Tuesday but Aboriginal Affairs Minister Jay Weatherill said he had stepped in to declare it an Aboriginal object of significance and prevented the sale going ahead.

"I have satisfied myself that it is an item of Aboriginal heritage and now it's a question of investigating its true ownership."



Oh what a load of crap.


This is a piece of australian history, not of the abo's.
Jay weatherill is a
DICKHEAD.



agreed us Nat.. Smiley
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Reply #4 - May 28th, 2007 at 3:43pm
 
freediver wrote on May 28th, 2007 at 3:39pm:
Welcome back AN, haven't seen you here in a while. Glad to see you haven't lost your form.


Thanks. ive been away on business. good to be back. Smiley
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Reply #5 - May 28th, 2007 at 5:52pm
 
Haha. Can't get enough of AusNat telling it like it is.  Grin Wink
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Reply #6 - Feb 6th, 2008 at 8:39pm
 
that petition to class the breastplate as an item of aboriginal significance has riased the $$ from $100, 000 to $4MILL. Admittedly the gantzert bros have to give half of that to the aboriginal people, so they can expect a 2000% increase on their find. Not a bad result for all concerned
isn't it....... you nationalistic shitheads?
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Reply #7 - Feb 6th, 2008 at 9:13pm
 
You seem angry about something. Why?
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Reply #8 - Feb 6th, 2008 at 9:52pm
 
Not angry, just offended.
I don't think anyone (including the Ganzert bros) wanted the find to go offshore, now whoever buys it will have to provide it for display 1 yr out of 4 in Oz, and pay a bigger ticket price both to the finders and the original owners. 
Win Aust history + win ganzert bros + win to the folks who (after all) earned the medal.
And yes, it is a significant moment in australian history when 2 german/aussie brothers -stumble accross an icon of cooperation between aboriginal people and anglo explorers lost in the sands of time whilst pig shooting.
to say 'our history, not the abo's' kinda fails to capture the moment - dontcha think?

 




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Reply #9 - Feb 6th, 2008 at 10:21pm
 
to say 'our history, not the abo's' kinda fails to capture the moment - dontcha think? 

I still don't get why it was declared an aboriginal artefact. It has no spiritual significance to them, they never owned it, it's not their bones or anything. It's a European import. I wouldn't try to claim white or black ownership of history, but claiming they somehow own the breastplate is silly. Next they'll claim ownership of the first gun used to shoot Aborigines.

What offends you?
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Reply #10 - Feb 7th, 2008 at 4:47pm
 
Okay, the breast plate is akin to a medal - one of three given to aboriginals in recognition of the service they offered to burke and wills. They fed Burke and Wills and other members of the exploration party - but Burke scared them aff by shooting his pistol in the air. He and Wills died of starvation after that. Another member of their party accepted their help (John King) - and for that reason, was the sole survivor.

The breastplates were 'Presented to______ by the Exploration Committee of Victoria for the humanity shown to the explorers Burke Wills and King 1861' - or so reads the inscription on the actual breastplate. It was a medal given in recognition of service, so yes, it did belong to an aboriginal person. We know only 3 medals were created, and Howitt (the bushman sent to recue King) names in his journal 5 people who were of the greatest help to the Burk&Wills party: Tchukulow, Mungallee, Toquunter, Pitchery, Borokow and Pruriekow, and Carrawaw. It's a fair guess that the breastplate originally belonged to one of these aboriginal people.

If someone were to find my grandfather's war medals - I would hope I'd have some sort of claim over them. Failing that I'd wish Veterans affairs could halt a sale whilst they looked into the matter. 

Also, it wasn't claimed to be an 'aboriginal artefact' but an 'object of significance' to aboriginal people. Please tell me that we can say to the aboriginal people that it is significant to their cultural history that at one time they recieved gratitude from the colonial government for the help they offered men in need - even after being chased off with a gun.

The amazing thing about this it is such a significant for both black and white history - your quip about 'the first gun used to shoot aboriginals' shows you're aware how rare proof of aboriginal and colonial cooperation is. The fact it has positive cultural relevance to both black and white is a rare thing.

Find it, save it and preserve it. There's precious little we've got to proove that aboriginal people have been treated well at times in our nation's history.      
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Reply #11 - Feb 7th, 2008 at 4:53pm
 
Thanks, that makes a bit more sense now.

Why were you offended?
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Reply #12 - Feb 7th, 2008 at 6:47pm
 
ignorant opinions are usually offensive... and frustrating. And in this case - just wrong. Everyone has the right to their opinion, but you want to express it, it's only courteous to have some idea what you're on about.

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