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Reply #30 - Apr 17th, 2007 at 3:47pm
 
Being a woman.
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Reply #31 - Apr 17th, 2007 at 4:18pm
 
Thanks. Yes, that is the crime she did.

She is a woman. Probably a beautiful one too.
Probably hates all men now. I don't blame her.
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Reply #32 - Apr 19th, 2007 at 8:13pm
 
A large sentence just tells everyone that even the judiciary system doesn't have much faith in their own rehabilitation system. Cool

It is always hard to find the correct punishment for a person but do you really think 55 years solves the problem? All it does is keeps these people off the street in the hope that they will be too old to do any harm when released. These people will probably rape blokes inside the prison through that time and destroying more lives. Chemical castaration is the only way to go. Atleast it will stop the gene from flowing through to the next generation.
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Reply #33 - Apr 19th, 2007 at 8:16pm
 
Jail is not just for rehab and keeping people off the street. It serves a purpose as a punishment and a deterrent.
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Reply #34 - Apr 20th, 2007 at 6:54am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2007 at 8:16pm:
Jail is not just for rehab and keeping people off the street. It serves a purpose as a punishment and a deterrent.


Not very effective, when recidivism is around 70%!

Keeping people off the streets, more like it. Current estimates class 2/3 of the prison population as mentally unstable. Around 80% are drug users.

Starting drug rehab and psychiatric assessment might be a good idea.

Can anyone tell me why its called the Department of Corrections?



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Reply #35 - Apr 20th, 2007 at 11:44am
 
How does the recidicism statistic reflect on it's value as a deterrent?
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Reply #36 - Apr 20th, 2007 at 12:19pm
 
if the deterrant was effective the recidivism would be very low.

The real recidivism figure is much more like 98 %.


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Reply #37 - Apr 20th, 2007 at 12:32pm
 
Deterrents are intended to apply to people who have not yet committed a crime, not just to re-offenders.
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Reply #38 - Apr 20th, 2007 at 1:58pm
 
If the deterrent was effective, the occurance of crimes would decrease.

Read a great psycholoigical theory on behaviour modification.
goes like this.
if person "A" has a behaviour that person "B" want to modify, it is up to B to try a deterrant.
"A" may be a criminal, "B" may be society
If the behaviours occurance decreases in its frequency or severity, the deterrant is working.

If the behaviours occurance is the same or worse than before the deterrant is applied, the deterrant should be changed for another that might work.

So, if our deterrant for ..... avoiding car crashes was effective, yearly there would be fewer road deaths. If not, we should try different deterrants.
Normally if the results are not promising, the same deterrants are applied, only more strictly.
With the same ineffective results.
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Reply #39 - Apr 20th, 2007 at 2:01pm
 
If the deterrent was effective, the occurance of crimes would decrease.

Only if the level of deterrent was changing. It would not continue to decrease indefinitely. It would reach a relatively stable state. Maybe you could go back in history and look at what happened when they first started jailing criminals, but I doubt there are reliable stats available.
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Reply #40 - Apr 20th, 2007 at 4:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2007 at 12:32pm:
Deterrents are intended to apply to people who have not yet committed a crime, not just to re-offenders.


Recidivism refers to habitual relapse into negative behaviour, and commonly in a crime context.

To break recidivism is to break the cycle. The idea is to achieve this before prison is the only option.

If most of the prisoners are mentally unstable or drug users, the deterrent of prison would not be sufficient to prevent an offence being committed. In many cases, prisoners have actually committed crimes to get back into prison, so that their lives can be given some order.
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Reply #41 - Apr 21st, 2007 at 8:45pm
 
for criminals, jail is not so much a deterrant as just a hazard of their "profession."

Criminals here as opposed th to those who are "unlucky".
criminals derive some or all of their income from criminal actions . They are clever.

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Rapists 'less to blame' if victim drunk
Reply #42 - Jul 11th, 2007 at 9:00pm
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Rapists-less-to-blame-if-victim-drunk/2007/07/11/1183833573320.html

Some Australians believe that rapists whose victims are drunk or dressed "provocatively" should be treated with more leniency in court, a study shows.

A small survey has revealed that the average Australian places less blame on a rapist if they knew their victim or had a "nice guy" reputation, or if the woman involved dressed or behaved questionably.

In these situations, they saw the rape as less "serious" and were more likely to recommend the offender get a lighter sentence or avoid jail altogether.

Researcher Haley Clark, of the Australian Centre for the Study of Sexual Assault (ACSSA), said her findings indicated that sexual assault was not treated seriously enough.
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Reply #43 - Jul 11th, 2007 at 10:26pm
 
I agree entirely with Haley Clark.
The effects of sexual assault are felt by the victim for decades after.

As a Bible basher I am proud to say some of Gods most extreme actions and laws were in guarding women from rape.
Any man raped a woman, or a woman even alleged it, the man dies. Simple as that.
That's the reguard God has for women and that's the seriousness he feels about rape.
In particular one of the cases in the bible is really awful, the retributation is amazing.
In Gods land, it is just not going to happen.  Full stop.
You women, you can walk wherever you want, you can do whatever you want, you can wear whatever you want, whenever you want wherever you want,  in complete protection at all times.

Maybe that is why I feel so strongly about the aboriginal move howard has done.


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Reply #44 - Jul 12th, 2007 at 8:43am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 11th, 2007 at 10:26pm:
As a Bible basher I am proud to say some of Gods most extreme actions and laws were in guarding women from rape.
Any man raped a woman, or a woman even alleged it, the man dies. Simple as that.


unless the person raped happens to be a virgin, in that case the guy is forced to marry her and cannot divorce her (refer to my post above for the specific reference).

yes, what a great law to guard women from rape.  Roll Eyes
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