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Does Nationalism make you a better person?
Mar 11th, 2007 at 4:21pm
 
I've been observing people with different political opinions for a long time now, and it seems to me that nationalism, as opposed to other political ideologies, makes you a healthier, noble and more moral person.

I look down the streets and see young and happy kids carrying around Australian flags, mingling among the elderly and doing everything they can to make their community a better place. What does Nationalism give that other political ideologies don't? -Pride and passion. These kids are above all, NORMAL, and easy to communicate with.

On on the other side of the coin, we have multiculturalist supporters, anarchists, communists and socialists.

Take for example the way a communist, anarchist or left-wing person acts...

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Since they have a sense that there's no such thing as countries... there's no such thing as the traditional family unit...  have no need to be patriotic... think the rest of the world is wrong and they're the only ones right... think religion should be abolished... etc etc etc...  they have no respect for authority nor their elders. They protest against everything and make themselves societies outcasts.

A nationalist however, feels it's his/her place to make his/her community a better place to live and strive to do so in a lawful, constructive way.

So do you think I have a point? Does being a nationalist make you a healthier, better person? Or can communists, multiculturalists and socialists fit into their society as much as nationalists do?
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Reply #1 - Mar 11th, 2007 at 4:41pm
 
It certainly does. Cool
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Reply #2 - Mar 12th, 2007 at 3:54pm
 
I think you are using some circular reasoning here. Flag waving, talking to your elders, ease of communication etc are poor proxy measures of health, nobility or morals. You also appear to be creating a false dichotomy.

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Reply #3 - Mar 12th, 2007 at 11:38pm
 
Well Freediver, I'm certainly open for suggestions and debate on whether there's other political ideologies that make a person fit in or makes someone healthier mentally than nationalism. Hell, I'm even open to suggestions that Communists and anarchists aren't even the social outcasts that I think they are.

Now do you have anything further to add to this thread? Or are you just wasting pefectly good forum space.
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Reply #4 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 7:16am
 
Good points DT.  But it would be awful if we ended up like the US with their nationalistic attitude.  They will blindly follow their President's ideology, not because they understand what he's saying or doing, but because they believe no matter what he says he's right.

It is sad though that we can no longer look on Australia as we used to.  When I'm in Sydney - it's spot the aussie, particularly around Sydney Central.  You have to fight your way through thousands of Asians.  I know they've brought some diversity with them, but to me they are here to exploit us with their cheap, shoddy imports and their total disregard of animal rights in the food and products they sell.  

Sydney is packed like a sardine can now and is filthy and seems to have lost the quality of life it used to have.  As more and more guest workers, illegal and legal immigrants flood Australia, australians as we know them seem to be disappearing in the crowd.  

We are certainly an industrial nation now and it doesn't matter who comes here as long as they have something to flog they're welcome.  Humanity and the  environment is no longer of importance to our increasing multicultural society.  Our cities are just becoming one big writhing mass of desperation.
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Reply #5 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 5:11pm
 
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Good points DT.


Serious?  Tongue I thought for sure you'd disagree with it.

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But it would be awful if we ended up like the US with their nationalistic attitude.  They will blindly follow their President's ideology, not because they understand what he's saying or doing, but because they believe no matter what he says he's right.


Of course not. I'd hate for Australia to make a movie like Independence Day.  Shocked Grin

Patriotic and educated. That's the ticket.  Smiley


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It is sad though that we can no longer look on Australia as we used to.  When I'm in Sydney - it's spot the aussie, particularly around Sydney Central.  You have to fight your way through thousands of Asians.  I know they've brought some diversity with them, but to me they are here to exploit us with their cheap, shoddy imports and their total disregard of animal rights in the food and products they sell.   

Sydney is packed like a sardine can now and is filthy and seems to have lost the quality of life it used to have.  As more and more guest workers, illegal and legal immigrants flood Australia, australians as we know them seem to be disappearing in the crowd.   

We are certainly an industrial nation now and it doesn't matter who comes here as long as they have something to flog they're welcome.  Humanity and the  environment is no longer of importance to our increasing multicultural society.  Our cities are just becoming one big writhing mass of desperation.


It must mirror Melbourne then.

I've only ever been to Sydney in my life... when I was twelve... but the reports I've heard are just awful. Sad

A few of my Asian friends were actually quite disappointed with Australia on visiting... because (Believe it or not) they said it wasn't what they expected it to be with too many immigrants and foreign culture.  Tongue And this would be my reaction if I EVER visited India... I wouldn't wanna see Brumby's stores and Australian style pubs... I'd wanna see some local curry stores and tea-houses... I can 100% see the viewpoint of my Asian friend. It must be very disappointing for them.

As far as I'm concerned, multiculturalism and immigration has reached a breaking point.

-I think Australia needs to adopt immigration and cultural policies similar to that of the Japanese. Are you familiar with it?
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Reply #6 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 5:34pm
 
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Patriotic and educated. That's the ticket.  Smiley


Thats it!

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It is sad though that we can no longer look on Australia as we used to.  When I'm in Sydney - it's spot the aussie, particularly around Sydney Central.


Dont i know it!


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It must mirror Melbourne then.


Certainly does!..... if not worse.

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And this would be my reaction if I EVER visited India... I wouldn't wanna see Brumby's stores and Australian style pubs... I'd wanna see some local curry stores and tea-houses...


Here Here.

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I can 100% see the viewpoint of my Asian friend. It must be very disappointing for them.


Ive heard exactly the same thing. they are so dissapointed when they arrive.... ''its just like the country i just left''.

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As far as I'm concerned, multiculturalism and immigration has reached a breaking point.


Its close.

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-I think Australia needs to adopt immigration and cultural policies similar to that of the Japanese. Are you familiar with it?


Yep. Japan will ALWAYS be Japanese.
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Reply #7 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 6:05pm
 
Japanese society suffers from it's own homogeneity.

DT do you think tourists should be able to come here and see Aborigines leading a hunter gatherer existence without interference from European immigrants?
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DT do you think tourists should be able to come here and see Aborigines leading a hunter gatherer existence without interference from European immigrants?


What are you trying to say, freediver? Sometimes you write so cryptic that I can't understand the point you're trying to make.
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Reply #9 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 6:14pm
 
It was a response to this:

A few of my Asian friends were actually quite disappointed with Australia on visiting... because (Believe it or not) they said it wasn't what they expected it to be with too many immigrants and foreign culture.
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Japanese society suffers from it's own homogeneity.


Please Explain.


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Yeah sure, with binoculars- in Arnhem land!
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Reply #11 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 6:19pm
 
In biological systems, diversity gives strength. It's the same with cultural/social systems. The pursuit of uniformity is ultimately destructive.
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It was a response to this:

A few of my Asian friends were actually quite disappointed with Australia on visiting... because (Believe it or not) they said it wasn't what they expected it to be with too many immigrants and foreign culture.



They dont come here to see Abo's exclusively.
Most are interested in koala's and the sydney harbour bridge and to see the worlds largest monolith.
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'Yes.'

I'd also expect them to want to see European culture in all its glory, as it's the image they expect when coming to Australia.

Not Asian culture, nor Middle Eastern culture, nor African culture. European.
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Reply #14 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 6:27pm
 
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You've got to be kidding me, freediver.
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