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Mar 10th, 2007 at 9:21am
 
 
After things we,ve all seen and heard in the media, I think parents should have to register to become parents and pass a stringent test to have the essential requirement s to go ahead and have children. I dont think we have an inherent right to have kids...its not god given.

There is so much violence and neglect of our children i believe we should have to have a license and pass a test , updated regularly to give us the right to have sole care and responsibilty of our most precious resource, the next generation.  

We are not given a manual on how to take care of and how to raise kids..especially young girls/women who get pregnant and neglect their offspring.

We have to sit and update driving tests ..so why not?
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Reply #1 - Mar 10th, 2007 at 9:41am
 
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Reply #2 - Mar 10th, 2007 at 10:15am
 
I will be the Devils Advocate here.Whilst being a fine idea it would not be practical either mentally or physically.
I would lay the blame fairly and squarely at the feet of Political Correctness and  lack of Disipline pertaining to some of todays parents when they were children(if that makes sense).
Lots of todays adults were bought up in an age of no responsiblity and government handouts.They were never taught to look after their rooms or clean up after themselves as that would be seen as making your kids work to hard or mistreatment,they could go to welfare and get a place of their own with a handout or move in with a few mates.
The do gooders of our society can accept a bit of responsibilty too for backing kids like this and and taking authority away from parents.
I am a single dad and have been for 3 years,i have 3 well behaved yet independant daughters who know right from wrong,and have been bought up knowing and feeling RESPECT.
People that mistreat children are mainly from troubled parents who have substance abuse problems or mentally ill permanently.I think parenting is an instinct and you cant learn that if your brain is fried
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Reply #3 - Mar 10th, 2007 at 4:19pm
 
So what happens if you get the rego, then turn out to be a bad parent? Fine you? Revoke your licence for repeated offences? Take your children away? Aren't these powers are already in existence?

I think your idea should concentrate more on the training aspects, as a condition of receiving the baby bonus, but even this would have significant problems. Life is not a book, it is an experience.

I agree with aloof boof, parents need to take responsibility. The community needs to become more proactive, even if this means becoming a dobber!  Cheesy
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Reply #4 - Mar 10th, 2007 at 8:25pm
 
So auzgurl, do you support a system of government that has the mandate and power to legislate and regulate not only the minutiae of your everyday life but something as fundamental your natural biological 'right' to procreate and pass on your genes?

I sincerely hope that you can see the serious and quite blatantly obvious dangers of such a governmental approach at the moral, ethical, legal, social and last but not least, practical levels.

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Reply #5 - Mar 10th, 2007 at 8:48pm
 
Tommy six..

You see nothing morally and ethicaly wrong with parents who beat,abuse and starve theyre children to death in some cases?

As long as we have OUR civil rights upheld thats the main thing is it?What about the right of the child to safe and cared for..

Some of the things that damage children is just thru pure ignorance and the 'parent' didnt know any better..training would have helped the parent cope and the child to live a happy life and in a lot of cases make it to adulthood..


A lot of truth in what Boof said.

We could educate teenagers in school ..would be a good start I think.
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Reply #6 - Mar 10th, 2007 at 10:05pm
 
Who put 'yes???'  Shocked

I put rubbish, simply because it's common sense.
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You see nothing morally and ethicaly wrong with parents who beat,abuse and starve theyre children to death in some cases?


It is both ethically and morally abhorrent.

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As long as we have OUR civil rights upheld thats the main thing is it?What about the right of the child to safe and cared for..


Natural right to procreate is more than a mere civil right I would think.


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Some of the things that damage children is just thru pure ignorance and the 'parent' didnt know any better..training would have helped the parent cope and the child to live a happy life and in a lot of cases make it to adulthood..


I would hardly say that endemic child abuse whereby parents starve, beat, sexually molest or kill their children can be attributed to sheer ignorance. It is another problem entirely. And no, regulating who can procreate will in no way help in this regard, it will only plunge our already overly regulated society into a legal and bureaucratic quagmire whereby unless something is explicitly sanctioned, it is illegal. Just to be on the safe side and for your own good etc etc etc I mean we are just so incapable of running our own lives and need others to run it for us and treat us all like toddlers in a playground *note sarcasm*  Roll Eyes

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Reply #8 - Mar 11th, 2007 at 12:49pm
 
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After things we,ve all seen and heard in the media, I think parents should have to register to become parents and pass a stringent test to have the essential requirement s to go ahead and have children. I dont think we have an inherent right to have kids...its not god given.


Oh dear god, you cannot be serious? My humble experience and the obvious reality of biology is that, yes, it is a god given right!

Of course, we could tightly control every aspect of everyones lives and make a perfect society where no wrong is ever done, what a majical wonderland it would be! Utopia is a fools dream, and self contradictory by definition. Orwell explored this concept thoroughly, you should read some before making broad generalisations such as this. The underlying theme of 1984 for example is not that of a cruel and nasty fascist society - it is an example of a perfectly controlled left wing utopia. This was Orwells intension at least, the logical conclusion of all utopian ideals.

Of course child abuse is detestable, but like all things you cannot simply put a stop to it through the blunt instrument of the law! The issue is so much more complex than that. Perhaps one good first step is if we stopped trying to ignore the society around us and isolate ourselves in little bubbles. How does that sound? Its pretty easy to ignore the social expectations of people around you if you pretend they don't exist.
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Reply #9 - Mar 11th, 2007 at 1:04pm
 

"Oh dear god, you cannot be serious?  "

Yes I am serious, its not about tight control, its about protecting kids if you read my posts properly.


Docs are such a dismal failure we all know and this would ensure Docs never become a neccesity..that theree would be help for those who need it. A lot of young parents actually welcome a hand, as they are confused in these matters Post natel depression combined with youth and inexperience, a toxic mix and does not auger well for young children in this volatile situation.

"Of course child abuse is detestable, but like all things you cannot simply put a stop to it through the blunt instrument of the law! The issue is so much more complex than that. Perhaps one good first step is if we stopped trying to ignore the society around us and isolate ourselves in little bubbles. How does that sound? Its pretty easy to ignore the social expectations of people around you if you pretend they don't exist. "

this solution would go a good way to society NOT ignoring the helpless and needy in these siuations..


Too many pple think because they can have children, regardless of wether they should, wether they can cope, wether it is fair on the child they do just do-because it is theyre "god given right to do so'..should nt we think more carefully before bringing children into a world where condtions ar way below the ideals that a child needs to be loved and thrive.

They have the right to be cared for and valued, they are the innocents, they have no say....who disagrees with that?






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Reply #10 - Mar 11th, 2007 at 1:15pm
 
DT,

I would hardly say that endemic child abuse whereby parents starve, beat, sexually molest or kill their children can be attributed to sheer ignorance. It is another problem entirely. And no, regulating who can procreate will in no way help in this regard, it will only plunge our already overly regulated society into a legal and bureaucratic quagmire whereby unless something is explicitly sanctioned, it is illegal. Just to be on the safe side and for your own good etc etc etc I mean we are just so incapable of running our own lives and need others to run it for us and treat us all like toddlers in a playground *note sarcasm"
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I would say that thatstexcatly what it is..for the most part Donald and Im not being sarcastic..If one doesn,t know not to sexually abuse, beat, starve or feed a child, if not ignorance about human right s then WHAT is it?

I think we do better when we KNOW better.

Noone likes to be regulated but in some cases its neccessary..and who can say who should and shouldnt.

Do child abusers have a certain look?



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explicitly sanctioned, it is illegal. Just to be on the safe side and for your own good etc etc etc I mean we are just so incapable of running our own lives and need others to run it for us and treat us all like toddlers in a playground *note sarcasm""

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sarcasm noted Smiley and that bit about toddlers? some of the 'parents ' ive seen that statement IS and  would be an insult to toddlers Id say. Kiss Kiss
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Reply #12 - Mar 11th, 2007 at 2:29pm
 
How do you define who is fit and who is not? How do you know your definitions are the correct ones? How do you make the system watertight so that it cannot be cheated? How do you know you aren't unfairly locking people out of having children? How do you know people cannot become better parents despite their history? What do you do if some guy over 18 is caught having sex with a consenting minor who is *almost* mature age but not quite, is charged with statutory rape and branded a child molester for the rest of their lives? What happens when the law and regulation gets it wrong? What do you do when a ticked off public servant with an axe to grind abuses the system?

The biggest question of all - how do you enforce your regulations? How do you force people to not have sex? Are you willing to say some people should be surgically prevented from having children? Are you willing to say unfit pregnant mothers should have their pregnancies aborted?? Its not like you go to the shop and order a child.. "Sorry, I'll need to see your permit mam".

If you prevent 'unfit' parents from having children, should you force fat people to have their stomachs stapled? Put restrictions on their diet? Because they eat up so much of our health budget of course they should be regulated! We must save them from themselves!

I'm sorry but the idea of putting arbitrary restrictions on who can and who cannot have babies disgusts me to the core.
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Reply #13 - Mar 11th, 2007 at 3:16pm
 
I'm sorry but the idea of putting arbitrary restrictions on who can and who cannot have babies disgusts me to the core. "
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dont get so wound up about this..this is just a discussiion on a forum...

My point is more to the educational aspect of this anyway so if yo want o be disgusted by my assertions at least KNOW what your being disgusted about..

Is education a bad thing..when we KNOW better we DO better?

Why bother answering if you cant be bothered to read what Im actually saying!!! Angry

So what would your solution to the future of child abuse be..seeing as though the current ones, measures ie : thevery successful D.O.C.S seems to be failing so dismally?...education is the key. and yes in some cases    NOT ALL....for those who cant read, how many times do I repeat that? Docs is not working and in that case what do we have to protect our children?

You have to apply a measure of commonsense when interpreting a post as boof so succinctly got it in the very beginning.He applies commonsense.
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Reply #14 - Mar 11th, 2007 at 3:47pm
 
Look I'm not wound up, I'm just letting you know what I think. Its just a forum after all  Wink

If education for new parents is all you are after then the government has already started a program for exactly this. The service is offered, and yes, the service should be offered. It just confounds me why people think regulation is the answer to all of societies ills. If you read what I have been trying to say you will know my point is more or less this: Good luck ridding the world of evil. While it may be admirable to to think so, a perfectly regulated world free of wrong doing will never be a good thing. The best thing to do is to make sure YOU raise YOUR children well, and help those around you to do the same. It is horrid and pitiful to think that innocent children will be subject to neglect but this will always occur to some degree. If you want to compare your idea to licensing for driving as you did in your original post, then think about just how much the licensing system prevents people from driving like idiots... it doesn't really solve the problem now does it?

Now I have read and re-read your comments and whilst you casually mention that you believe parents need more education and support, the general theme of your argument is that this should be achieved through some sort of parental licensing system. This is what I am disputing, and I'll thank you not to suggest that I have misread your remarks.
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Reply #15 - Mar 11th, 2007 at 3:54pm
 
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I would hardly say that endemic child abuse whereby parents starve, beat, sexually molest or kill their children can be attributed to sheer ignorance. It is another problem entirely. And no, regulating who can procreate will in no way help in this regard, it will only plunge our already overly regulated society into a legal and bureaucratic quagmire whereby unless something is explicitly sanctioned, it is illegal. Just to be on the safe side and for your own good etc etc etc I mean we are just so incapable of running our own lives and need others to run it for us and treat us all like toddlers in a playground *note sarcasm"
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I would say that thatstexcatly what it is..for the most part Donald and Im not being sarcastic..If one doesn,t know not to sexually abuse, beat, starve or feed a child, if not ignorance about human right s then WHAT is it?

I think we do better when we KNOW better.

Noone likes to be regulated but in some cases its neccessary..and who can say who should and shouldnt.

Do child abusers have a certain look?


Regulate the Aboriginals by all means, but not for Australians.
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Reply #16 - Mar 11th, 2007 at 3:58pm
 
Donald,

now you are showing your bias and lack of knowledge re Abl pple..again!!


Most beat ups and newsworthy cases DO NOT come from the black community...they come from the white commnuity in general..This is not a racial arguement so Id thank you NOT to make it one..This is a community problem

Why do you start on Aborigines all the time Trump?
Are you racist? Are you a white Australian?...You offend me when you start this cr-ap. Angry

What is your race Trump..?
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Reply #17 - Mar 12th, 2007 at 3:16pm
 
You cannot test for the ability to raise children because everyone is capable of raising children. All you would end up doing is imposing unnecessary red tape, or worse, imposing arbitrary restrictions that resemble Eugenics. You would effectivley place an IQ limit, a wealth limit, a narrow set of values or some other morally reprehensible restriction on people.

Docs are such a dismal failure we all know and this would ensure Docs never become a neccesity..that theree would be help for those who need it.

If we can't get DOCS to work then how is a bureaucracy charged with taking away people's right to procreate going to be any more help? It would be worse then DOCS, not better.

wether it is fair on the child they do just do-because it is theyre "god given right to do so'

I don't think anyone has children just as an exercise in civil rights.

should nt we think more carefully before bringing children into a world where condtions ar way below the ideals that a child needs to be loved and thrive.

Given that our society is giving birth at well below the replacement level I'd say that people are thinking more about it.
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After things we,ve all seen and heard in the media, I think parents should have to register to become parents and pass a stringent test to have the essential requirement s to go ahead and have children. I dont think we have an inherent right to have kids...its not god given.

There is so much violence and neglect of our children i believe we should have to have a license and pass a test , updated regularly to give us the right to have sole care and responsibilty of our most precious resource, the next generation.  

We are not given a manual on how to take care of and how to raise kids..especially young girls/women who get pregnant and neglect their offspring.

We have to sit and update driving tests ..so why not?


I agree. In an over-populated world - having Children should be a 'privilege' not a right.

In 'over-indulgent' nations - you have to be certified to indulge yourself in many recreational activities that require responsibility.
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Tommy six..

You see nothing morally and ethicaly wrong with parents who beat,abuse and starve theyre children to death in some cases?

As long as we have OUR civil rights upheld thats the main thing is it?What about the right of the child to safe and cared for..

Some of the things that damage children is just thru pure ignorance and the 'parent' didnt know any better..training would have helped the parent cope and the child to live a happy life and in a lot of cases make it to adulthood..


A lot of truth in what Boof said.

We could educate teenagers in school ..would be a good start I think.


Educate? They're not educatable.

Today's news.... teachers are quitting because of bully parents who are always confrontational when it comes to problems with their children education or behaviour- their children can do no wrong .... and like their children they the parents have a sad lack of or no discipline and respect.

All you are advocating is more regulation and policing for a matter that has adequate laws and the simple requirement of a tad of decency and common sense.

Decent people know right from wrong, those that don't get dealt with by the system as is.
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Jasin wrote on Apr 28th, 2019 at 10:19pm:
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After things we,ve all seen and heard in the media, I think parents should have to register to become parents and pass a stringent test to have the essential requirement s to go ahead and have children. I dont think we have an inherent right to have kids...its not god given.

There is so much violence and neglect of our children i believe we should have to have a license and pass a test , updated regularly to give us the right to have sole care and responsibilty of our most precious resource, the next generation.  

We are not given a manual on how to take care of and how to raise kids..especially young girls/women who get pregnant and neglect their offspring.

We have to sit and update driving tests ..so why not?


I agree. In an over-populated world - having Children should be a 'privilege' not a right.

In 'over-indulgent' nations - you have to be certified to indulge yourself in many recreational activities that require responsibility.


To all but our ferals making the decision to have children is a big step and responsibility.

It cannot be made light of.
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